M06-15-16 N40 Study Session
TOWN OF LOS GATOS TOWN COUNCIL
NORTH 40 SPECIAL STUDY SESSION - JUNE 15, 2016
WITH THE PLANNING COMMISSION,
LOS GATOS -SARATOGA JOINT UNION HIGH SCHOOL DISTRICT
LOS GATOS UNION SCHOOL DISTRICT, CAMBRIAN SCHOOL
DISTRICT, AND CAMPBELL UNION HIGH SCHOOL DISTRICT
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A P P E A R A N C E S:
Town Manager : Laurel Prevetti
Community Development
Director :
Joel Paulson
Town Attorney: Robert Schultz
Director of Public Works: Matt Morley
Moderator: Dr. Shawn Spano
Transcribed by: Vicki L. Blandin
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NORTH 40 SPECIAL STUDY SESSION - JUNE 15, 2016
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P R O C E E D I N G S:
DR. SPANO: …and I’ll be your facilitator for the
meeting tonight. I wear a couple different hats. One hat I
wear is I’m on faculty at San Jose State University, and
then I also do consulting, and have been doing consulting
for 20 years doing these kinds of meetings for local
governments primarily in the Bay Area.
We’re here for the North 40 Special Study
Session, and for right now the one document that you should
have —it was on the table out front —is the agenda for
tonight’s meeting, and we’re at the point in the agenda
right now where we’re doing Welcome and Introductions, and
I’ll walk us through the Preview Purposes, Outcome and
Format and get us ready for this evening’s meeting.
I want to acknowledge tonight that we have the
Mayor and members of the Town Council. Los Gatos Mayor and
Town Council are here tonight, as well as Planning
Commission members are here, and also School Board members
and superintendents from the four school distr icts are
here: Los Gatos, Los Gatos-Saratoga Joint High School
District, the Los Gatos Union School District, Cambrian
School District, and the Campbell Union School District.
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I also want to acknowledge here the number of
people that are in the room and the turnout tonight. In my
experience it tells me when I see the number of people
here —there are actually some people in the overflow
outside —that this is a community that cares. I’ve done some
work years ago in Los Gatos with the Town Council and the
Planni ng Commission, and this is a community that cares.
You’re committed. You’re invested in this community, and
that’s why you’re here tonight.
I also know that the North 40 is a very
important, big issue in Los Gatos, and that’s obviously the
focus of our meeting tonight. It creates a lot of passion,
it creates a lot of interest, it creates a lot of spirited
discussion, and that’s wonderful, that’s part of democracy .
So we’ll work through the issues tonight around the North
40, and my job here is to help guide the conversation so
that we maximize our time and that we’re as efficient as
possible.
I’m moving on to the next agenda item. What are
the purposes of tonight’s meeting? Two purposes.
One, provide information and fact sharing around
the key documents leading into the North 40 development:
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the North 40 Specific Plan, the Housing Element, the EIR
and the Environmental Impact Report. We’re using those
documents to frame the foundation of tonight’s meeting.
The other purpose tonight is to provide an
opportu nity for you all to ask questions. I did not
introduce Staff. We have Staff here at the table. We have
Staff here, and Christina over here. Staff is available,
utilizing their expertise to answer the questions tonight.
As you look at the agenda you’ll see Questions
and Answers a couple of items down. The bulk of the meeting
tonight is built around the questions and answers, and the
questions and answers are probably going to fall into some
main areas; we’ll have an Other category.
We’re anticipating quest ions around school
impacts. That why we invited them, and the superintendents
and School Board members are here. We expect to have
questions around housing issues, and we expect to have
questions around traffic impacts. In addition, you might
also have que stions around those foundational documents:
the EIR, the Housing Element and the Specific Plan. And any
other questions you have about the North 40 as well.
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So we want to address those questions. This
meeting is for you tonight. It’s for the community so that
there is a clear understanding about how the North 40 will
be developed.
What we’re not doing tonight is we’re not talking
about specific development applications. There’s a process
fo r that, and as a matter of fact part of that process is
described on the back of your agenda, where the Planning
Commission will be holding meetings on development
applications. There will be an opportunity for verbal input
at those meetings. Obviously the Planning Commission will
offer their advisory recommendations to Council. There are
multiple Council meetings that will take up North 40
applications, and ultimately Council as the policy makers
and decision makers will be making decisions around those
applications. At every one of those Planning Commission and
Council meetings there is opportunity for you to provide
comment around those applications.
Tonight is about understanding the groundwork
that has been laid. Council, Planning Commission and Staff
have put multiple years into the Specific Plan, EIR and the
Housin g Element, getting ready for development in the North
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40. What those documents do is they provide a framework, a
foundation, and the parameters around how development will
proceed. That’s the focus of our meeting tonight.
What is that foundation? How will the development
proceed in terms of the frameworks, the boundaries that
have been established? Your Town Council has established
some of these , and others are mandated, and we’ll hear
about that a little bit from Staff in terms of State
mandates and State regulations.
So that’s what the focus of the meeting here is
tonight: understanding the groundwork, the frame work, the
foundation for the North 40 development, and how those
applications will be reviewed and ultimately evaluated. I
hope we’re okay with t hat in terms of the core focus and
core purpose of the meeting tonight.
I want to walk us through the format tonight, and
how we’ll b e spending our time together. We have multiple
hours to spend tonight. It says on the agenda 6:00 o’clock.
We can go till 1 0:00 o’clock. If there are enough
questions, we’ll go to 10:00 o’clock. The idea here is
that, again, this is your meeting, wanting to hear your
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questions, providing Staff answers, and we want to reserve
as much time as possible for a broad range of questions.
In just a moment Staff will give a relatively
brief presentation around the foundation, as I mentioned, a
little bit about the history of the Specific Plan, a little
bit about the Specific Plan EIR, the Housing Element, et
cetera. So we’ll have a pre sentation, and that presentation
will help provide a common starting point for us tonight,
and common vocabulary for us tonight.
We will then move into questions and answers. We
can go ahead and pass those out, Christina. There is going
to be one key card for the questions and answers, and
that’s this blue card here. So if you have a question that
you want to ask tonight around anything about the North 40,
traffic, housing, the foundational documents , put your
questions on this card here. Here’s an optiona l name on the
back as well as an email address if you want to be on the
list to receive information. When you fill out the card,
please hand those to Christina. Christina will collect the
cards, and then I’ll be reading the questions to Staff, and
then Sta ff will answer the questions.
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Part of the reason for having the question cards
and me reading them is to have as much efficiency as
possible in how we’re utilizing our time tonight. One of
the things that is likely to happen, we might get lots of
questions around, say, just for example, housing issues, a
lot of the same questions. We’ll consolidate those together
and maintain the integrity of the questions, but we’ll have
a series of questions around housing, and as I anticipate,
other questions around traffic and other topics that might
arise tonight. So please, you can fill out the blue card
right now with questions that you have.
If you don’t have a question but you have a
comment, yellow card. And that’s a comment about anything
related to the North 40 tonight, from the presentation or
any other comments that you want to provide Planning
Commission, Council and Staff on the yellow card.
As we work through the agenda, you’ll see the
second to last item on the agenda is Verbal Communications,
so there wil l be an opportunity at the end of the meeting
tonight for you to provide verbal comments, and it’s really
an open forum. We anticipate questions around the North 40,
but it’s an open forum and you can make comments on other
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topics as well related to the Town. Here is the Verbal
Communication s card here; it’s on the beige. I f you want to
speak at the end and provide verbal comments, it’s the
beige card there.
As we’re moving along here there might be some
questions tonight that Staff is not prepared to answer, or
they don’t have the answer tonight and they have to go back
and do some research and collect some additional
information. We’ll have a parking lot. Any of those
questions tonight, they’ll have a parking lot for those.
The other aspect tonight is so me guidelines for
your questions. Please, stay focused on the informational
and fact sharing purpose of the meeting tonight. Again,
we’re not dealing with the any specific applications in
terms of development. In asking questions about the
Specific Plan, the EIR, around the Housing Element,
implications of that around traffic and schools, those are
wonderful questions to ask tonight. Anything that you are
focused on, not clear about, need some information, need
some guidance from Staff in terms of how this all develops,
those are great, great questions to ask.
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There are some refreshments, as you saw in the
lobby , and we hope you enjoy those; and enjoying them in
the lobby would be great, not really wanting to have food
or drink in Council chambers.
Make sure I captured everything here, and I did.
Okay, so I think we’re ready to move.
As w e’re looking at our agenda here the next item
on the agenda is the Presentation on Key Topics, so I’m
going to turn it over to Staff and let them walk you
through the PowerPoint slides. Was there a question? Did I
see a question?
AUDIENCE MEMBER: (Inaudible).
DR. SPANO: The questions online. You want to
take that, Laurel?
LAUREL PREVETTI: Good evening, I’m Laurel
Prevetti, the Town Manager for the Town of Los Gatos. Thank
you all for taking your time to join us this evening.
Many of you have submitted questions online. We
have answered some of them. We know that there are other
questions. We recently posted another 20 or so answers this
afternoon , and we have another 10 or so that are not yet
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answered, but we have them and we will get getting those
answers posted promptly.
So thank you to those of you who have submitted
questions. That’s going to be a living document online at
the North 40 website, and we encourage all of you to visit
that. It’s perfectly fine this evening if you wish to write
a question that you also submitted in email form; we’re
happy to discuss those as well this evening. Thank you.
DR. SPANO: Okay, so I think we’re ready to move
into the present ation, so Joel, you’ll get us keyed up
here. And then I did not introduce Staff. Laurel introduced
herself , and Staff can introduce themselves as they get
ready.
JOEL PAULSON: Great. Good evening, I’m Joel
Paulson, the Community Development Director. I’m going to
go through a little bit of the background and history. The
Town has gone through a somewhat lengthy process to get to
the point of the Specific Plan adoption, so I’m going to go
through some of that background information quickly.
So generally what is a specific plan? A specific
plan is used to help provide additional guidance for
specific areas of town. In this case, we have the North 40
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Specific Plan area. It gets incorporated into the General
Plan, and then once it’s adopted , as we currently have
applications they are weighed against the adopted Specific
Plan to make sure that it conforms with that.
History goes way back. The Town actually drafted
a Draft North 40 Specific Plan that was completed in 1999,
but it was never adopted. The Town was getting ready to
begin a comprehensive General Plan update, and so they
tabled it from what I understand, and then didn’t consider
it any further.
In 2010 the Council adopted the most recent
General Plan update, which we call the 2020 General Plan.
In tha t document there was reference to the North 40
Specific Plan. It set some parameters that were evaluated
in the EIR for the General Plan, and those parameters were
up to 580 ,000 square feet of commercial used and up to 750
residential units. Those were used to help frame the
evaluation and the cumulative impact of the Environmental
Impact Report for the General Plan.
One of the requirements of the 2020 General Plan
was that a North 40 Specific Plan be prepared. That led to
the more focused direction of drafting the plan. The Town
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hired a consultant to help us out with preparation of that
Specific Plan.
The Council also appointed an advisory committee,
what we call the North 40 Advisory Committee. They began
their work in 2011, and for approximately two-and -a-half
years they completed that work and forwarded their
recommendations on to the Planning Commission.
Along the way at the North 40 Advisory Committee
meetings, all of the Planning Commission, all the Council
meetings, and obviously public input as pro vided, both
written and verbal, depending on the meeting.
For the Specific Plan we had to do an EIR, so a
Draft EIR was prepared and circulated in early 2014. That
EIR evaluated the project at the time, which was up to
580,000 square feet of commercial, and up to I want to say
364, but I can’t remember the number off the t op of my
head; I will try to get that information.
So that was circulated and then the draft
document, both the Specific Plan and the EIR were submitted
to the Planning Commission. The Planning Commission
performed their review over two meetings in July and August
of 2014, and from there they provided their recommendations
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to the Town Council, and then the Town Council evaluated
that information and all of the public record.
Obviously there are Planning Commission and
Council members here with us this evening. The amount of
information was lengthy and voluminous, and so there was a
lot of input that was provided.
The Council considered the Specific Plan and the
EIR on a number of occasions and in June 2015 ultimately
the Specific Plan was adopted.
The Specific Plan contains a number of
development parameters, but it also contains a Vision and
then Guiding Principles to implement that Vision. Hopefully
everyone has had a chance to look at the Specific Plan
itself. I t’s online, and there you can walk through all of
the specific parameters, but I just want to bring focus to
both the Specific Plan Vision as outlined on the screen,
and then the Guiding Principles to achieve that Vision.
With that, I will give you a little bit more
information on the development that is allowed. The maximum
capacity ultimately in the adopted Specific Plan was up to
501,000 square feet of commercial uses, and up to 270
residential units.
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The Specific Plan also contains open space
requirements. The minimum amount of open space that must be
provided is 30%. It also speaks to design elements that
reflect the orchard heritage that currently exists on the
site. We’ll add new bike and pedestrian paths. Also there
will be improvements obviously that are required of the EIR
to nearby streets.
With that, I will pass it to the Town Attorney.
ROBERT SCHULTZ: Good evening. My name is Robert
Schultz; I’m your Town Attorney. I’ve been with the Town
now for about two-and -a -ha lf years.
When I came along the Specific Plan Committee had
already completed their work. The Specific Plan for the
North 40 was in its draft, and as Joel told you, in 2014
and 2015 I was part of those hearings when it went to the
Planning Commission and ultimately to the Town Council.
As with the Housing Element I was with that
process pretty much all the way through, and we did our
update through 2014 and 2015. So I’ve been here for those
processes, but I wasn’t here for the early stages of the
Draft Sp ecific Plan.
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Tonight I’m kind of the bearer of bad news. I
have two subjects that I want to talk about: school
impacts , and the relationship between the Housing Element
and our Specific Plan. I guess I drew the short straw. I
think they said, “You’re an a ttorney. They hate you anyway,
so you can cover these two subjects.”
I’m here to talk about school impacts. We’ve had
just a tremendous amount of comments at all the hearings
about school impacts, and we all I think understand how
impacted the schools are with overcrowding and lack of
facilities.
T he bad news is that the State has preempted us
on this issue. The State has decided that it will regulate
the impacts from schools, and not the local jurisdictions.
It’s been that way since the 1990s when SB50 was passed,
and that basically says that the Town, or any city or
county, can’t prohibit a development based on any type of
finding that says the schools are overcrowded or impacts.
We just do not have that ability to make that finding in
order to deny a pro ject.
SB50 does authorize the school districts to levy
a fee on new development, and it establishes the amount in
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the State law, exactly what they’re going to be able to
levy on each new development and it’s basically a formula,
and that formula continues to rise. I would be of the
opinion that it hasn’t risen enough to keep up with the
cost of real property and that there need to be some
changes made, but that has to be done at the State level;
the Town doesn’t have the ability to do that. Right now
it’s $0.56 per square footage for commercial and $3.48 for
residential.
The school districts do have the ability to try
to raise that up. You can go from Level 1 to Level 2 and
Level 3. They had to do an analysis and a study to raise
those levels up above the 2 and the 3. They do that; the
Town doesn’t have the ability to do that. The different
school districts have looked at possibly raising those
levels up.
So what can we do? Well, we did zone and allow
for uses in the North 40 for public school. We can do that;
we can use that as a use. We can’t zone specific
properties, because the problem with that is if we took
three or four acres and said this will be a school, and
then a school doesn’t purchase it, it’s basically then
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we’ve taken someone’s property, because it can’t be used
for any other purpose. But we did allow for the use of a
public school on the North 40 property; it’s one of the
approved uses.
What else can we do? Well, we put in language
specifically in the Specific Plan that says we encourage,
we require , the applicants or the developers to work with
the school districts on overcrowding. That message I think
went through because I think most of you know now that the
actual applicant for the North 40 did meet with the Los
Gatos Union School District and agreement was reached for
additional money above what the State al lows, and that’s
allowed under State law. The Town wasn’t part of that
agreement; we just encouraged them to try to work that out.
That agreement is a public record; anybody can look at that
and see what funding will be provided, and representatives
from the School District are here that maybe can answer
those questions , if there are questions, about that
specific agreement.
So really what the bottom line is on that is I
know you’re pas sion ate about your school impacts. Y ou’re
more than welcome to continue to comment about school
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impacts for each project, not just this and any others, but
the hands of your local government officials are really
tied. They don’t have the ability to, like I said, deny or
modify a project, any project, based on school impacts.
What we really need to do is get the State to
change the methodology that is allowed up there so that
more money is coming into local governments from
developers.
The other issue is the Housing Element. The State
has currently determined that there is a major and severe
shortage of affordable housing and there is an immediate
need to encourage the development of housing. This is
continually going on. I’ll talk a little bit later about
Governor Brown’s brand new proposal for even more
legislation to take away local control.
In order to meet these regional housing needs
California law requires the Town to adopt a Housing
Element. We adopted one from 2007 to 2014, and our next one
was jus t updated recently.
Every jurisdiction —we’re not alone in this, we’re
all dealing with it —we all have to take care of our fair
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share and plan for the new housing of all income levels in
the community.
In order to comply with the State law, what did
the T own do? It appointed a Housing Element Advisory Board
to help assist with the update of the Housing Element. The
HEAB , as we called it, consisted of the General Plan
Committee and four members of the community. The General
Plan Committee consists of Council members and Planning
Commission members.
In 2013 and 2014, when I first came on, I was
part of numerous meetings that were held in the chambers
here and give public input on all the different ways that
we could meet the State requirements and get a certified
Housing Element. All housing elements have to be certified
by the State .
In June 2014 what HEAB decided to do was to
satisfy all its numbers that were required by the State.
W hat it did was it used its existing Affordable Housing
Overlay Zone sites. That’s what we have done in our
previous version; we figured that would work and we’d be
able to show we can meet all our numbers for affordable
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This went in front of the Planning Commission and
the Council in September of 2014. Then it was approved and
we sent it on up to the HCD for their approval.
Unfortunately the State said they’re not going to certify
it. They said that we weren’t demonstrating that we had the
ability to approve those sites for affordable housing.
What we had done, we had put an AHOZ, and I ’ll
just use an example. O ne of our AHOZ sites is the Lodge
property, the Los Gatos Lodge, and we were saying that has
the ability to produce X amount of units of affordable
housing, but unfortunately that w asn’t mandatory. So when
an applicant came in and said they wanted to produce those
X amount of units, the Council, the Town, had complete
discretion to deny that and say they still wanted it to
remain commercial since it was just an overlay, and the
State said you’re just playing games with the numbers of
the amount of units that you’re able to build, because
there is too much discretion allowed amongst the Council on
whether to approve any of those projects for those AHOZ
sites and that you really have to show that you’re able to
meet those numbers for affordable housing and allow for
development to occur.
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So in order to obtain certification the HEAB got
back together and met, and we went over all these different
sites and tried to find out where we could meet our RHNA
numbers.
One of the ways they did that was by taking the
North 40 Specific Plan and taking 13.5 acres at 20 units
per acre, and that’s how they were able to meet those
numbers that were missing to be able to get it certified.
What they also had to do was list that the development on
the Specific Plan and the North 40 was going to be by
right, and what that means is 13.5 acres at 20 units per
acre has t o be done by right. What means is that if an
applicant comes in and wants to do that amount of units,
then you don’t have the ability to say we don’t want those
units. We’ve already said you’re able to do them by right,
you’v e allowed for the development of those units.
We were able to have some discretion of the
design review, and we have to make certain that it still
complies with the Specific Plan. What that means is we’ve
heard many a time that the maximum is 270 units in the
Specific Plan, and it does say maximum. So many people say
well that’s just a maximum, we can only allow 200 units.
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N ot with what we did with our Housing Element. When we
approved our Housing Element and said 270 units are by
right, that basically means if an applicant comes in and
wants to develop 270 units, the Council has to approve it
at that number of units.
Now, they do have discretion within that to make
certain that it does comply still with the Specific Plan,
but they can’t simply say we don’t like 270; we want 200.
Because that’s what we were doing before on other projects
and the State said no, you’re not actu ally carrying your
weight to meet their RHNA numbers.
Just as a final note, what I said before,
Governor Brown has just proposed sweeping new regulations
that this wouldn’t just apply to our 619 RHNA numbers , or
270 where we set by right; it would apply across the board.
If a project comes in and proposes I think it is 20% of
affordable housing in a project, you have to allow it by
right. You don’t have the ability anymore to deny projects,
and there will be very little CEQA review.
I would strongly suggest you look up this law and
talk to your legislators about it, because it takes away
tremendous local control. Bills are being proposed to take
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away local control. I serve on a housing committee with the
State , and we’re continually trying to fight to keep that
local control, but time and time again the State is trying
to take it away for what they believe is a State purpose.
Wi th those two pieces of bad news on the Housing
Element and the school impacts , I’ll pass it over to Matt
Mor ley.
MATT MORLEY: Go od evening, I’m Matt Morley, the
Director of Parks and Public Works. I’m going to talk to
you a little bit about traffic impacts and how the Town
handles that. I’ll start by talking about the standards the
Town has set in place, and these standards are in place
through the General Plan that both Joel and Rob have talked
about a little bit.
To set the standard the Town has identified six
levels of service within the Town. We rate those on an A
through F levels, and we do include E, not like your school
grad es. For the sake of identifying the traffic levels of
service, Level D is considered acceptable in the General
Plan.
T he level of service is measured in terms of
delay in seconds. What this means when it comes down to it
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is that the Town looks at individual intersections and the
amount of time and delay that you would expect or
anticipate when you come to that intersection to wait for
your opportunity to progress through.
How does this translate to developments? In terms
of intersections that are in the area of an A through C,
they’re allowed to drop one level, and this is in the
General Plan as well. The standard is that those
intersections within development can degrade by one level.
The intersections cannot drop below a level of D. D is the
lowest level of acceptable service for an intersection, so
if it hits a D or below, there has to be some sort of
mitigation to bring that intersection back up to a level of
D. In addition, if an intersections drops more than one
level, so if it were to drop two or mor e levels, then it
needs to be brought back up and there needs to be a
mitigation to address that as well.
How do we go about figuring all this out? It
starts with a traffic impact analysis, or TIA, and that’s
part of the Environmental Impact Report. For the Specific
Plan 31 existing intersections were analyzed, and then one
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new intersection that is created with the Specific Plan was
added and analyzed as well.
The analysis includes anticipated vehicle trips,
so how many trips were going to be generated with the
development, and that’s all a standardized calculation
based on industry standard. It also considers the type of
development, so the residential versus the commercial. And
it considers the time of day, so what happens in the worst
impacted period of the day, the peak periods, and typically
there’s a peak period in the morning and a peak period in
the evening, an AM peak and a PM peak.
In Los Gatos’ case we include an analysis of
other anticipated developments. In many communities the
anticipated developments are those that are already
permitted. In Los Gatos, if we have it on the radar and we
can identify the scope and scale of the project, it’s
included in the analysis.
With that, there are several projects that were
included in the analysis for the North 40 Specific Plan.
These are the six projects that were included, and those
were included based on the information that was in the
Town’s possession at the time that the EIR was completed.
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Once these impacts are identified and we know
that the development is going to bring more traffic in, we
have to figure out how to solve the impacts of the traffic
increase. T o do this we’ve looked at many different ways of
reducing the level of service —again, it always goes back to
the level of service and the calculations and the data —and
bringing that back to the alignment with the Town Code,
with the General Plan.
In order to do that for the North 40 there are
several areas that we’ve incorporated, including multi
model improvements. There’s a bike and pedestr ian path that
goes around the perimeter of the properties as well as
through the center of the properties.
There are Lark and Highway 17 intersection
improvements. This is the northbound on-ramp to Lark and
17. There’s an additional right turn lane to han dle the
additional capacity that’s necessary.
There are improvements at Lark and Los Gatos
Boulevard to provide for left turns, both from Los G atos
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Gatos Boulevard. Those extra lanes will help to de crease
the delay at that intersection.
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There is a new intersection at “Neighborhood
Street” that will be a new signalized intersection.
“Neighborhood Street” is in quotes on the screen, because
it’s not yet fully named, but the new intersection that I
tal ked about was added to the analysis, and a new
signalized intersection will help to provide access to the
project and will help to alleviate traffic and congestion
from vehicles going in and out of the area.
Finally, there are improvements in the Specific
Plan for Los Gatos Boulevard at Burton and Samaritan.
In terms of traffic it’s important to note that
the Gener al Plan acknowledges that there is an increase of
traffic with developments and works hard to mitigate those
impacts. The mitigation measures a s I’ve listed here are
efforts to accommodate that additional capacity need and
address the traffic in that means.
As I mentioned, there are ways for intersections
not to get fully mitigated, so some intersections don’t get
fully mitigated back to the level. There is an allowance
for a drop, but the General Plan does establish a standard,
a mini mum level of service at that D Level, and the
documents ensure that that level of service is met.
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section, and we’ll t urn it back to Shawn for the wrap up.
DR. SPANO: This slide here is the same slide
that you have on the back of our agenda, as I mentioned
earlier about the process going forward and opportunities
for public input; just want to remind you.
In July the re will be Planning Commission public
hearings regarding Phase 1 development. Expect multiple
meetings on that aspect from the Planning Commission, and
every one of those meetings is an opportunity for public
input on those applications.
Then the same thing with the Town Council public
meetings. T here will be multiple meetings and opportunities
for public input and verbal comment at those meetings as
well.
W e are being televised tonight on KCAT, and there
will be a verbal transcription of the meeting here to night
as well.
We are ready to move on to Questions and Answers.
Christine is collecting questions —I’ve got three categories
here —and Christina will collect your blue cards.
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So far I have three big categories. The two
questions around the EIR and Specific Plan, we’ll start
there. There are several housing questions here , and
several traffic. Let’s take up housing after the EIR and
Specific Plan question.
Question: What agency or consulting firm
performed the EIR?
JOEL PAULSON: I’ll take that. EMC Planning Group
is the consultant that the Town used to prepare the EIR for
the North 40 Specific Plan.
DR. SPANO: Okay, excellent. And a question
around the Specific Plan is: “W hy is the North 40 Specific
Plan not adhering to Town Council and resident concerns?”
We’ll take that question as it is. I might respond this
way: In what ways did the Specific Plan respond to Town
Council and resident conce rns, and which ways did it not is
another way of phrasing the question. Go ahead, Joel.
JOEL PAULSON: I’d say, as I spoke of earlier,
the Planning Commission, Council, North 40 Advisory
Committee, there was a lengthy public process. Ultimately a
policy document was adopted, which is the Specific Plan,
taking into consideration all of the concerns that were
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raised, many of which are similar to many of the concerns
we have been hearing recently. I believe those were all
taken into consideration by the Planning Commission and
then ultimately the Council before taking an action on that
item.
LAUREL PREVETTI: Let me just add a specific
example. As Joel mentioned in the opening presentation,
when the Advisory Committee was doing its work the plan was
considering about 350 or so housing units. As the plan
worked through the process, ultimately the Council reduced
the housing development capacity to 270, so I think that is
one example of how the Council was in fact listening to
some of the public comments that were coming forward during
that time.
There are other examples. We did an economic
study to make sure that the North 40 Specific Plan would
not compete with our precious and very unique downtown, and
so the elements coming out of that study were also
incorporated.
And there are numerous other examples. Our
Council and Planning Commission reads all of the
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correspondence, so as we move forward, again, we encourage
you to continue to stay engaged and participate.
DR. SPANO: Thank you. A question just came in,
and this question is related to the Specific Plan, so I’m
going to take that question now. You can see what I’m
doin g. I’m trying to take questions that fall together in
the same category, since we’re on that topic.
This question asks, “Does the Specific Plan
involve the City of Campbell as a joint municipality
affected by the overall plan? Is there coordination between
the two? How much additional…” Let me just hold on that
second question. So, coordination with Campbell?
JOEL PAULSON: I will turn this over to Mr.
Morley. It’s not a joint plan between Campbell and the
Town. This is the Town’s Specific Plan for this sp ecific
area. The traffic, through the environmental process, we do
coordinate with not only Campbell, but also San Jose and
other neighboring jurisdictions where there may be impacts
that could be created by this proposal.
MATT MORLEY: Thank you, Joel. Great question in
terms of what the regional coordination looks like. There
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a re two examples and they were on the list, and I’m going
to flip back in the slides real quick.
Two additional projects that were included in the
analysis. T he Dell Avenue plan, which is a Campbell plan,
was incorporated into the traffic analysis, so that
definitely has been considered, as well as the Samaritan
area improvements that were on the books at the time, and
those have been considered from the Council as well.
DR. SPANO: Excellent. I have some other
questions here around the Specific Plan. “Since the purpose
of the North 40 Specific Plan was to develop the property
with a cohesive, unified plan covering the entire 40 acres,
how can we consider only Phase 1 in a vacuum wi thout seeing
how it fits into the whole? Why doesn’t the Town require
this comprehensive plan that covers the entire property?”
JOEL PAULSON: The Specific Plan, for those have
read through that, does anticipate phasing. There are a
number of different pro perty owners across the North 40
Specific Plan area, and so to facilitate the development
phasing was reviewed and taken into consideration and
included in the Specific Plan itself. I don't know the
total number currently of property owners out there, but
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there are still a number of property owners across the
Specific Plan area, and the application that it’s currently
in is only for the first phase, because that’s the property
that they have control over.
Then I would turn it to anyone else who wants to
ad d anything additional.
ROBERT SCHULTZ: I think, as Joel mentioned, it
is specifically in the Specific Plan. Section 6.2 addresses
that issue and states that it will be implemented over time
and in more than one phase. Each phase shall stand alone
and sha ll be dependent on the improvements in that. So each
phase does have to do its own public improvements that are
necessary, but each phase was addressed, and that issue was
brought up during all the hearings that were held.
LAUREL PREVETTI: I would just add that because
we are working through an application for the southern part
it needs to anticipate the infrastructure needs for the
entire plan area. You will see in the drawings stubbed out
streets and other elements that indicate that in the
future, when the northern portion is ready for private
development, that we’ve anticipated the inf rastructure
needs accordingly, s o while we don’t know exactly the form
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or the shape of what the northern section would look like,
the plan anticipates that it’s going to happen over time.
This is not uncommon for a large tract of land
such as this one that’s over 40 acres. It would be highly
unusual for a single development proposal to happen in one
fell swoop. Typically it does happen over time with
multiple applications.
ROBERT SCHULTZ: And although not part of the
question, a lot of the questions that have been submitted
so far that have talked about three phases. There are not
three phases. There are three different districts, but
there are only two phases of develop ment. The first
application that’s in is dealing with the first two
districts, and then the third district would be the second
phase.
There might be parts in that Northern District
that could be broken into smaller phases, because there are
multiple owner s, so it’s pretty much impossible in a
project this size to get everybody to come in at the same
time, because there could be a property owner in the
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DR. SPANO: Okay, are we good here? I have an EIR
que stion: “Can the Town have another follow up EIR?”
ROBERT SCHULTZ: The Town can always request
additional environmental studies, a city or town, if it
determines that an addendum is necessary or there are new
facts and circumstances under CEQA. That’s why I hesitated;
there is specific language that allows for that to happen.
We ’d have to look at and see if that was a concern of the
Planning Commission and Town Council when it goes further,
that there are issues that they feel were not addressed in
the original one, and there have been circumstances that
have changed. Then we would have to look at that and see if
we could make the findings to allow for additional
environmental review.
DR. SPANO: Along those same lines, “Can the
Specific Plan be amended?”
ROBERT SCHULTZ: Yes. Chapter Six does
specifically call out the administration of the plan and
plan amendments, so at any time the document can be amended
by Council.
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DR. SPANO: A S pecific Plan question: “Are there
any contingencies related to the sale of Yuki’s property at
all that could impact the outcome of the North 40
development?” Contingencies related to the Yuki property.
JOEL PAULSON: The Town Attorney may jump into
this as well. We don’t get involved in the private land
transaction, so we are not always privy to the specific
contingencies, whether there are contingencies there or
not. I know during the public hearing process there were
discussions at the public hearings about the anticipated
phasing, for one, and then two, some loose terms regarding
some of the transaction issues moving forward, but that’s
not something the Town gets involved in.
ROBERT SCHULTZ: Nor do we even have copies of
those agreements between the property owner and the
potential buyer.
DR. SPANO: A Specific Plan question: “Since the
Yuki family is now keeping 22 acres, how can the Specific
Plan still be relevant?”
JOEL PAULSON: The Specific Plan was prepared
specifically because there are so many owners out there,
and we want to be able to maintain the private property
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rights of the individual property owners, but they don’t
own the entire North 40 Specific Plan area. They do own a
large chunk of the Specific Plan area, but they do not own
all of the parcels.
DR. SPANO: Another Specific Plan question:
“Three districts that will work together as self sufficient
neighbors, but self sufficiency must wait until a future
phase. What happens if Phase 2 and beyond never gets built?
Would we just have a lot more housing?” Does that question
make sense? You want me to read that again?
ROBERT SCHULTZ: No. There’s always the potential
of a property owner, as I mentioned, not wanting to do a
project under the Specific Plan and leaving the land just
the way it i s right now with some of the outlying
individual homes that you see out there, but any time when
they come in they would have to file an application and
comply with the Specific Plan at that particular time.
There is the maximum of the 270 units, so if someone was to
say that the 270 units had already been built out by
previous applicants and someone came in and wanted to
propose more housing units, it would require, as we
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discussed, a amendment to be able to do that, because it
wouldn’t be able to fit the Specific Plan requirements.
DR. SPANO: Another Specific Plan question: “The
plan dictates 270 units, but there is a bonus. How does the
bonus apply, and what is the number of bonus units the
total on the site would be?”
JOEL PAULSON: I’ll start, and if Ms. Prevetti or
Mr. Schultz need to add anything in. The bonus is up to
35%. I know we’re not here discussing the application
that’s currently before us, but they requested the 35%
bonus, and so the total number, if I remember correctly, if
you did the 35% density bonus across the 270, you end up
with 364 units, so that is possible.
Also note that any residential project in town
can utilize the density bonus; they just have to request
that.
ROBERT SCHULTZ: As Joel mentioned, they have to
request that, and again, that’s a State law that we cannot
circumvent. W e can’t say no, we’re not going to allow you
to have a density bonus. It’s allowed if it’s requested by
the developer and he meets the requirements to obtain the
density bonus, which is providing a cer tain amount of
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affordable housing, a nd depending on whether that’s Very
L ow, Low or Moderate determines how much of a percentage,
and as Joel mentioned, it’s up to 35%.
DR. SPANO: Here’s a question: “Is it possible to
purchase the property, or has the adoption of the Specific
Plan precluded that ?”
JOEL PAULSON: The adoption doesn’t preclude any
private land transaction. I’m sure the property could be
purchased. Obviously there is a lot of work and time that’s
been invested, and so whether or not the parties that
currently hold any rights to that property would be
interested in having that conversation, that would be a
private conversation that would need to take place.
DR. SPANO: The follow up: “If purchase is
possible, could a bond measure be proposed?”
ROBERT SCHULTZ: The first question dealt with
whether it could be purchased, and as Joel mentioned,
that’s a private transaction. We don’t have the documents
between the purchaser and the person that has that option
right now to purchase it, so if a third party came in and
wanted to also try to purchase it, there are all sorts of
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contracts that would have to be terminated and brought
into.
The second question is about issuing bonds, and I
think that goes to the Town purchasing the property.
Currently we wo uld not want to get involved in a voluntary
purchase of the property, because of the fact there’s a
transaction that’s already pending and there could be all
sorts of ramifications of interference with a contractual
relationship that we wouldn’t want to.
B ut the Town does have the ability under eminent
domain proceedings to take property for public use. That is
always a possibility. I would say that’s a very complicated
procedure. We did give a very detailed answer in our
questions that are online about the eminent domain and the
experts that are hired and how you go through that process,
but certainly at any time a purchase can be taken for
public use through the eminent domain procedures.
JOEL PAULSON: Just to follow on, for those of
you who aren’t aware , the Town does have an FAQ, Frequently
Asked Questions, posted online, so please, if you haven’t
taken a look at that, take a look at that. We’re evolving
that and adding answers to questions as they come in. We
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actually just updated it again this afternoon with some
additional information, so I’d encourage folks to take a
look at that as well.
LAUREL PREVETTI: I just want to moderate some
ex pectations. While it’s theoretically possible, it’s
highly unlikely, because if the Town were to get involved,
not withstanding any contractual challenges that we might
have, we would have to pay fair market value, and because
there is a Specific Plan with the specific development
capacities, that’s going to be very expensive land for the
Town to buy, so it’s highly un likely for not only practical
reasons, but also legal reasons, that that would happen.
ROBERT SCHULTZ: I was preferenced just from a
legal Specific Plan, and there are all sorts of financial
issues that would be involved, and the bond measure and
timefram e that would take. I was just looking at it from a
standpoint of yes, the Town has eminent domain ability
under State law to take property for public use, but
accomplishing that under these circumstances would be very,
very difficult.
DR. SPANO: There’s a follow up question here
that I’m not going to have Staff answer. It’s about the
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developer’s proposal and whether it meets the guidelines of
the Specific Plan, and as you recall that’s really not the
focus of the meeting tonight. That will be taken up by
Planning Commission and Town Council.
We’re staying on the Specific Plan EIR questions
here. “If we have another EIR, how can the Town meet the
deadline of the current application if there was another
follow up EIR?”
JOEL PAULSON: I’ll start. I think it would be
highly unusual. The circumstances haven’t changed to the
point where those thresholds probably are met.
The other important piece to understand is that
as other jurisdictions, other projects, come in, they all
have to take into account the traffic that is proposed to
be generated by the North 40 Specific Plan. They then will
have to accommodate whatever impact their project is going
to have in the cumulative analysis, also taking into
account the North 40, the Dell Avenue plan, and many other
proj ects. So they’re required to go through their own
environmental process and then make those determinations
with this as background data included.
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AUDIENCE MEMBER: (Inaudible) the question was
how do we for (inaudible)?
JOEL PAULSON: That’s something I t hink that we
won’t be able to answer right here, so the Town Attorney
can maybe provide some additional input.
ROBERT SCHULTZ: During the process, and that’s
one of the reasons why we’re focusing on the Specific Plan
as opposed to an individual application, because an
applicant do es have due process rights. That issue will
certainly come up at the Planning Commission where there
will be at least two hearings in July for the Planning
Commission, and at least two hearing s in front of the
Council in August and September. So that would be the time
to ask for additional environmental review, at those
hearings.
There are many complicated issues that overlap
with regard to the Permit Streamlining Act in regard to the
Subdivision Act that we would have to work through if in
fact that was a requirement, and we could make the
findings. As I said earlier, there are strict findings to
require additional environmental review, and until we get
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really into the meat of the project and hear the elected
and appointed bodies is when those issues will arise.
DR. SPANO: A question here about the Specific
Plan: “The Vision Statement in the Specific Plan states
that the 40 acres should not be developed piecemeal.”
There’s no question, but I’m assuming the question that
follows from that is related to the earlier question about
developing in phases. So reiterate the same answer? Is
there another way of answering that division plan statement
in the Specific Plan states that the 40 acres should not be
developed piecemeal?
JOEL PAUL SON: Bear with me. I’m just going to
make sure I’m looking at the exact words. So looking at the
Vision Statement, I don’t see…
DR. SPANO: Could you repeat that? It was under
Purpose 1.1. Thank you.
LAUREL PREVETTI: The bottom paragraph on page
1.1 says , “The intent of the Specific Plan is to provide a
comprehensive framework in which development can occur in a
planned, logical fashion rather than a piecemeal approach,”
and that’s really the whole purpose of the Specific Plan,
that it brings together all of the properties under a
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common Vision, which is also articulated on that page, and
a common set of design guidelines and rules and
regulations. I t is intended to be a comprehensive plan.
I recognize that there’s concern that we may have
multiple applications, but the first application is for a
fairly large portion of the total area, and so as a subset
that’s still considered a comprehensive plan that
anticipates the future.
So again, it is related to phasing. I know
ideally we would all love to see wha t’s it all going to
look like ultimately, but it isn’t uncommon for projects of
this magnitude and this size to happen in segments.
E ssentially it’s the plan that knits together those future
applications to make sure that it is going to deliver an
integrat ed neighborhood for our town.
DR. SPANO: Thank you. A Specific Plan question:
“The Vision of the Specific Plan paints a pretty picture
for a conforming development, however, the maximum density
and intensity drastically conflict with the Vision. Can the
Town amend the Specific Plan to be in compliance with
itself?”
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JOEL PAULSON: Obviously the Planning Commission
and Council, when they evaluate the Phase 1 applications
that are currently going through the process, will be
taking into consideration the Vision, the Guiding
Principles and all of the elements of the Specific Plan
document to make a determination for the Planning
Commission, a recommendation to Council, and then
ultimately the Council to take a final action on the
project and to ensure that it complies with the Specific
Plan.
Those are important pieces that will continue to
be discussed in July by the Planning Commission, and
starting in August probably in front of the Town Council.
Offer anything else?
LAUREL PREVETTI: Just under State law we are
required to make sure that all specific plans are
inter nally consistent and that the Specific Plan is
consistent with the General Plan. Those findings were made
during the process of the Specific Plan preparation, so the
document as approved is internally consistent.
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As mentioned earlier, there is a process for
amending the plan, and that could be considered at a later
date.
DR. SPANO: “Does the Specific Plan protect the
Downtown District? If so, how?”
JOEL PAULSON: There are a number of policies and
language in the Specific Plan, because that obviously was a
large component of having the conversation of going through
the development of the Specific Plan and not wanting to
negatively impact the downtown that we have.
T here are a number of policies that were put in
place specifically to try to limit that and really focus on
complementing the downtown rather than competing with the
downtown; that was a lot of the conversations originally
when the Specific Plan was going through the process.
I will thumb through and see if I can find any
specific policies that relate to that. The Town did do an
economic study as part of the Environmental Impact Report,
and that study did look at the potential impact on
downtown, and that impact was not evident based on what was
proposed.
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LAUREL PREVETTI: I would also just add, there is
a table called Table 2.2 that identifies the maximum
development capacity and the maximum amount for different
uses, including retail, restaurants, et cetera, and those
numbers were carefully considered in light of the entire
economic segment of our community.
In addition, there is a table of uses that
identifies which uses need a Conditional Use Permit or some
other development permit, and that’s Table 2 -1, and that
was carefully considered by the Town Council, and I recall
that there were some modifications along the way to make
sure that we were complementing the downtown and not
comp eting.
And again, all these elements could be subject to
future Specific Plan amendments if we find that additional
changes are necessary.
JOEL PAULSON: The other thing I’d point out for
the commercial uses, the Specific Plan requires them to be
presented to the Conceptual Development Advisory Committee,
which is a body that’s made up of two Council members and
thr ee Planning Commissioners. Then they are also required
to do additional economic impact analysis, which is brought
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forward to the Conceptual Development Advisory Committee
before going through the process.
A ny future commercial or future phases will have
to go through that same process, and that will be taken
into consideration at that time too, and depending on the
length of time may give you a similar or different economic
story, but that evaluation will be provided with each
application that comes forward.
DR. SPANO: Specific Plan question: “Would it be
accurate to say that if somehow the Town successfully
reduced the density of the Specific Plan it would
essentially just be kicking the can down the road and
result in denser future redevelopment s?”
JOEL PAULSON: That is one possible outcome.
Obviously if the 13.5 acres in the Specific Plan is not
developed at 20 units per acre the Town has to identify
additional sites that will accommodate 20 units per acre by
right development, which Mr. Schultz has discussed at
length, and that has to be done immediately following any
action that would be taken to reduce the adequate sites
inventory for the Specific Plan area. That was a big
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conversation throughout the process with the Advisory
Committee and Housing Element Advisory Board.
T he challenge is the Town in the last cycle used
Affordable Housing Overlay Zones to accomplish our RHNA
numbers, and this time they chose to remove some of those,
given some of the new requirements with by right and 20
unit per acre development to utilize the North 40 in that
case. So anything that gets reduced on the North 40 will
have to be accommodated elsewhere in town.
DR. SPANO: Thank you, Joel. I checked with
Laurel. I wasn’t sure if this was an application question
or not. “I’m proud of Town Council for rejecting Shannon
Road/Los Gatos Boulevard development due to high-density
application request. Why is North 40 application density
not b eing rejected under the same pretense?”
JOEL PAULSON: The Town took specific actions
through our Housing Element and Specific Plan to
accommodate our regional housing needs, and that was to say
that we’re going to have 13.5 acres of the North 40 area be
developed at 20 units per acre on that site.
I think the Shannon Road project was actually
probably far less then 20 units per acre. I t’s just
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obviously a smaller site, and the determination was made
that the proposed development wasn’t appropriate and the
project was ultimately denied.
LAUREL PREVETTI: I think the context is also
di fferent, because that site was designated primarily for
commercial use, so that was not a Housing Element site, it
was not a site that we had identified for residential.
The first question is really do we want housing
at that Shannon Road and Los Gatos Boulevard location?
Secondly, that project went through the entire
process, so it went through all of the development
evaluation. It went through Planning Commission and it went
through Town Council, so it went through the whole process.
With the North 40, wi th the application that’s
currently pending, we’re still in that process. We don’t
know what the outcome of that is going to be, but as was
mentioned on the slide that’s up there, we do have Planning
Commission hearings starting on July 12 th , and we’ll see
what it s recommendation will be and ultimately what the
Council’s decision will be in August or early September, so
we’re still in process.
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ROBERT SC HULTZ: I’ll just add to that. I t was a
totally different scenario, because of the fact mentioned.
It was commercial; an applicant is asking for it to be
changed to residential. That’s within the discretion of the
Council whether to allow or not. It wasn’t a site within
our Housing Element.
But more importantly, I’ll go back to Governor
Brown’s proposal. If h is law passes, that project would
have to be approved by Council. They would not have had the
discretion, because if it had that 20% affordable, which is
11 units, i f there were 20% of those units, they would not
have had any discretion, it would have had to be approved
without any CEQA allowed. That’s how far the State is
trying to go take away local control.
DR. SPANO: Thank you. Still on the Specific
Plan : “The Specific Plan states that 13.5 acres will have a
density of 20 units. Do all 13.5 acres have to be in the
Lark and Transition Districts, or can it be spread
throughout the entire 40 acres?”
JOEL PAULSON: It can be spread out , ultimately.
That’s a determination the Council will make on the
application. There is obviously language, and as was
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disc ussed before the Specific Plan talks about three
districts. This first application is taking up almost two
of the districts, so if that’s something that the Planning
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ultimately think it is appropriate, then that’s something
that they can consider.
I think the challenge gets to be there are a lot
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there, as well as some of the by right conce rns that were
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ROBERT SCHULTZ: I’ll just come back to the
Specific Plan, because that’s really why we’re here, and
not the specific application. But under the Specific Plan
the 13.5 acres are not designated, it just says there will
be 13.5 a cres designated at 20 units per acre. That allows
for it to be spread if the Council so desires.
DR. SPANO: Okay, Specific Plan: “If there are so
many property owners, which was known prior to approving
the Specific Plan in January 2015, then why was the entire
44 included in the Specific Plan?”
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JOEL PAULSON: I think as Ms. Prevetti mentioned
before, that’s the whole point of creating a specific plan,
when you have multiple owners, so that way everyone
understands what the requirements are for the entire plan
area, so that good planning can move forward, whether it’s
done all at once, w hether it’s done in multiple phases, or
whether an individual property owner wants to just develop
their specific piece of property, it provides that
framework for the future applications to be tested against
to make sure they comply with the Vision, Guiding
Principles and developments parameters that reside in the
Specific Plan.
DR. SPANO: Follow up question to that: “Why not
a North 20 Specific Plan?”
JOEL PAULSON: A North 20 Specific Plan would
have been doing a Specific Plan for only half of the site,
and so we ’d have the challenges that we have now, which
would be someone could come in with a development
application for one acre or 20 acres. The area is bound
pretty sp ecifically by Highway 85, Highway 17, Lark and Los
Gatos Boulevard, as everyone is aware, so that really
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actually makes sense to create Specific Plan for that
entire area.
But again, the Specific Plan really is a tool to
help the planning efforts moving forward when there are
multiple property owners to make sure everyone understands
what the rules are, and you get to set the rules for that
specific area.
DR. SPANO: Joel, I think this next question
falls in the same category: “Can the plan be amended to
i nclude only the current option to parcels?”
JOEL PAULSON: The plan could always be amended.
I think Mr. Schultz explained there are processes laid out
in the Specific Plan for amendment. I will make a
statement , and then the Town Attorney can correct me if I
go astray, but generally the applications that are
currently before the Town, they have to be act ed upon given
the parameters that are currently in place. Amending the
Specific Plan may not have an impact on the current
proposal, but there is a process for amending the Specific
Plan and that is always possible.
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DR. SPANO: “Where in the Specific Plan does it
state that all 270 units plus bonuses be located in the
Lark District?”
JOEL PAULSON: It does not say that.
DR. SPANO: Next question: “How impo rtant are the
Vision and Guiding Principles to land use decisions? In
other words, if the Town determines most of the development
is inconsistent with the important element of the Vision
and Guiding Principles, but is otherwise compliant with the
technical standards and guidelines, must the Town allow
development to go forward?
JOEL PAULSON: I think it’s been mentioned before,
that’s obviously a big part of the evaluation. The Council
ultimately will have to make the determination as to
whether the first phase, or any subsequent application that
comes before them , complies with the Specific Plan. That
will be a specific finding that will have to be made, and
so that’s very important.
We get this question a lot with the General Plan.
If you read the General Plan, there are a lot of policies,
goals, vision language in there, some of which, depending
on the project, can be construed in multiple ways. So it’s
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really taking a look at the application, taking a look at
the foundation of the Specific Plan, and then ultimately
that determination is going to be made by the Town Council.
DR. SPANO: “So invoking langua ge from the
Specific Plan, can the ‘look and feel’ of Los Gatos be
interpreted to include the diversity of buildings,
architecture, styles, et cetera, and not emphasize cookie
cutter, which is scarcely found in Los Gatos?” So can the
look and feel of Los Gatos be interpreted to include the
divers ity of buildings, architecture and styles? Is that
what is meant by the look and feel of Los Gatos?
JOEL PAULSON : Yes.
DR. SPANO: Good. And as I understand the
question, encouraging that diversity and not wanting the
cooking cutter, and you’re saying that yes, that’s what the
Specific Plan enables and allows?
JOEL PAULSON: Correct.
DR. SPANO: Excellent. “Was th e Specific Plan
changed when the size of the development was reduced by
one -half?”
JOEL PAULSON: I guess I can try to interpret
what that question means. I’m assuming it means did we cut
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the Specific Plan in half because we were only looking at
half of th e first phase, only dealing with half of the
application or the area?
DR. SPANO: Or that the Specific Plan changed in
some way when the area was reduced.
JOEL PAULSON: The Specific Plan area was never
reduced; it’s always been the same size. The applicat ion
that’s currently in is a Phase 1 application, which is
half, so there are no changes required to the Specific Plan
because we have an application in for the first phase.
DR. SPANO: This question then I think operates
off the same premise about a reduc tion: “How many planned
units were lost by the reduction in acreage?” What I’m
hearing you say is there was no loss.
JOEL PAULSON: There is no loss of acreage. The
acreage that the Specific Plan governs has not changed. It
provided the requirements for the entire North 40 area,
even buildings that are intended to stay.
DR. SPANO: “If the Specific Plan is discovered
to be in conflict with the General Plan, must one of them
be amended?”
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JOEL PAULSON: The General Plan was amended when
the Specific Plan was adopted, and the Specific Plan was
determined to be in compliance with the General Plan, and
so from Staff’s perspective there is not a conflict between
the Specific Plan and General Plan, because it’s not
permitted.
DR. SPANO: “What is the definition of ‘open
space’ in the Specific Plan? How will it be achieved?”
The questions are great. You’re right on track
with the questions and the guidelines, so you’re doing
great in terms of the guidelines. I’m taking some
application questions; they’re off in a sep arate pile,
because again, we’re not looking at applications and
anything about any specific proposal. Joel.
JOEL PAULSON: Open space is defined on pages 6 -
13 of the Specific Plan, and I will go ahead and read it
for the audience. “Open space means a grou nd plane open and
generally unobstructed from the ground plane to the sky.
Balconies, shade structures and roof eaves may extend over
a portion of the open space. Open space includes green open
space and hardscape, plazas, courtyards, pathways,
sidewalks a nd pedestrian paseos. Plazas, courtyards and
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planters over podium parking or on roof decks also qualify
as open space.”
So it is broadly interpreted across from
hardscape to greenscape. There is also a requirement in the
Specific Plan that a minimum of 20% of the required 30%
open space be green open space.
DR. SPANO: And then the second part of that is
is it achievable, that definition of open space?
JOEL PAULSON: Yes.
DR. SPANO: Great. “Where in the Specific Plan
does it say that housing units have to be spread out?”
JOEL PAULSON: It does not say that either. I’ll
just offer that it does speak to where residential can be
implemented, and that is across the entire Specific Plan
area with the caveat that in the Northern District any
residential that’s p roposed has to be above commercial, so
you have to have a vertical mixed -use setting for any
residential that is in the Northern District.
DR. SPANO: Very good. Christina, how are we
doing? Any other EIR Specific Plan questions? I think we’re
good. I thi nk we’ve covered all the EIR Specific Plan
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questions, and I know they obviously feed off into traffic
and density and so forth.
Let’s move over. I’ve got a couple of cards on
schools here.
And we can come back. If you still have questions
about the Specific Plan, fill out a blue card and get it
in. We don’t need to stay all regimented; we can move
around a little bit here.
Schools: “Is a school considered a non -
residential use, and if so, is it excluded by way of Table
2.2?” which I’m assuming is Table 2 .2 in the Specific Plan.
ROBERT SCHULTZ: Under Table 2.1, Permitted Land
Uses, which is found on page 2.8, it says that public and
private schools are allowed in all three of the districts
with a CUP, so it’s not considered a non -residential use ,
it’s jus t a specific category that allows it anywhere
within the North 40 plan.
DR. SPANO: Thank you. Another school question:
“Is the plan to divide the North 40 project to be received
by several school districts? For example, is a portion of
the development to be serviced by Campbell Union Elementary
and High School District, and not servi ced by Los Gatos
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Elementary and High School District? As a 34-year resident
of Los Gatos, I live in the Old Adobe Road area serviced by
Campbell. The Town of Los Gatos has nev er been inclusive of
fringe areas. I would strongly state that two different
schools districts is disjunctive.” So the key question, is
the plan to divide the North 40 project to be serviced by
several school districts?
LAUREL PREVETTI: A completely different process
determines our school districts and their boundaries. As
you know, we have many school districts that serve the
residents and families here i n our community and we’re very
fortunate for that.
The southern portion of the Specific Plan area is
g enerally served by the Los Gatos Union School District;
this is our elementary and middle school age group, and
then for the high school it would be our Los Gatos-Saratoga
Union High School District that serves that southern
portion. To the north we have o ur Cambrian School District,
and we again thank the participation, as well as the
Campbell Union High School District that takes care of the
northern portion. That’s why we’ve invited four different
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school district boards and superintendents to be with us
tonight.
Those boundaries were predetermined long before
the Specific Plan even came into fruition, but we look at
school issues for all of our districts, and that’s why it
is identified specifically as a use within the Specific
Plan area.
DR. SPANO: “C an the School Board ask that the
builder build a school on the property? How do they propose
that we intake a large number of students in already
impacted schools?”
ROBERT SCHULTZ: No, the School District can’t
demand from a developer that they build a school. As I
mentioned (inaudible) there’s a formula for the levy and
the fees, and that’s all they can do is collect fees based
on the square footage of the development, so there isn’t
that ability to do that.
In this case though the developer and the Los
Gatos Union School District did voluntarily meet and
discuss and enter into an agreement for additional money
above and beyond the State requirements that I mentioned
about the square footage.
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DR. SPANO: I have a question here for a school
superintendent on supporting the Governor’s proposal, and
we’re going to hold on to that, because the school
superintendent is not answering questions here this
evening.
Okay, so we can move on. That’s all I have on
schools. Christina, we good? Any other schools questions?
Okay, I’ve got traffic. Let’s move over to
traffic. Some other categories that are coming in —and
again, don’t feel bound by these categories —I have traffic,
we’ll move to housing after that, and then there are
several questions on commercial as well. S o I’ve got a
handful of traffic questions here.
“If intersection LOS levels can drop by one level
each time there is a development, we could theoretically
eventually land at D Level for all intersections. Is there
a minimally acceptable distribution of LOS levels, i.e. 25%
of A, 25% of B, et cetera?” Matt.
MATT MORLEY: Level D is the General Plan’s
determination for what is acceptable, so that’s the lowest
level that the intersection can go to within the Town.
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There is no distribution across that; that’s been
determined to be the level of service that is acceptable.
DR. SPANO: Here’s another traffic question,
really comments. I think I can find question in here.
“Three major concerns: Town’s loss of identity as a special
town; education, schools impact now; and then traffic. More
cars, really?”
As you said, I believe, Matt, that in the TIA it
does say for more traffic, so just say a little bit more
about that.
MATT MORLEY: The Traffic Impact Analysis is
exactly that, it’s an analysis of the impacts from traffic.
It acknowledges that a development will bring additional
vehicles to the road and it looks for alternatives to
mitigate those additional cars, those additional vehicle
trips, and to reduce the impact of those trips on the
community.
As I mentioned in my opening, several projects
around the development that accommodate these impacts and
help to mitigate that and to keep the traffic flowing, so
that when you reach an intersection your delay is managed
and controlled.
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DR. SPANO: Thank you. Traffic: “Why can’t a new
traffic EIR be required before development is approved,
because clearly traffic in Los Gatos has changed
significantly since 2014 to now, 2016?”
So the heart of the question: Can the EIR be
required before development is approved to inclu de the
traffic?
MATT MORLEY: I think the answer is consistent
with your responses previously that the Council can look
for additional EIR studies, and the TIA is a portion of
that, and so that is a potential for the future.
I would say that traffic analysis is a snapshot
in time. The Traffic Impact Analysis captures the traffic
at that time and the increases that the project brings, so
it’s very specific to the increase created by the project,
regardless of when that traffic analysis is done.
JOEL PAULSON: I just offer one other thing. I
don’t have the project or the files in front of me, but
that is a question that we’ll also answer online as it
relates to the Phase 1 application to illustrate what
traffic review has happened as part of that Phase 1.
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DR. SPANO: I have a couple of specific traffic
questions coming up here. “Is the Town looking at the need
to change the traffic flow on Winchester south of Lark for
the two residents that will need to avoid Bascom Avenue and
still need…still need the (inaudi ble) at Bascom?” Am I
reading that right? I don’t have a name on that. So, “Is
the Town looking at the need to change the traffic flow on
Winchester south of Lark for the two residents that will
need to avoid Bascom Avenue?”
Are we okay on that? Are you f ollowing that, or
is this a parking lot and we need to follow up with a
little bit more… (To audience member) Help clarify.
AUDIENCE MEMBER: (Inaudible).
DR. SPANO: Okay, thank you.
MATT MORLEY: The intensity of Winchester and
Lark specifically was addressed and it is in the TIA.
AUDIENCE MEMBER: (Inaudible).
M ATT MORLEY: There is not a project, because the
impact associated with that intersection did not change it
so that it needed mitigation.
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MATT MORLEY: There are additional dollars set
aside from the Netflix project to address that local area.
One of the commitments we’ve made is to hold those dollars
until we see what the result of that full Netflix build-out
and occupation is, and that will allow us some flex ibility
in using those dollars, s o that’s the potential for
mitigation in the future.
There were projects associated with Netflix that
address the traffic in that area. I think as you see that
area settle out a little bit it will allow us an
opportunity to continue to do the assessments in there and
identify where we need to program those dollars.
DR. SPANO: Very good. Thank you for the
clarifications, and the next time when that needs to happen
I will repeat that for the people in the overflow so they
can hear the follow up question.
“Will there be any pedestrian or car access from
Bennett Way?”
MATT MORLEY: Bennett Way is a Phase 1
application question, I believe, although there is car
access to Los Gatos Boulevard in the Specific Plan. What
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that looks like specifically will come out of the Phase 1
application.
DR. SPANO: Thank you. And again, we’re on very
specific traffic questions here; so let’s just do the best
we can.
MATT MORLEY: Let me just finish off with that.
DR. SPANO: Please, please. Yes.
MATT MORLEY: There is significant pedestrian and
bike access in the project in its entirety. There’s a loop
around the perimeter that is a very wide multi model path,
as well as a requirement that there be a multi model paths
through the project Specific Plan as well. The large amount
of open space will also contribute to the ability for bikes
and pedestrians to move about.
DR. SPANO: “When turning right onto south Los
Gatos Boulevard from Neighborhood Drive, will there be a No
Right Turn on red? I believe this will help surrounding
businesses get out of their driveways.”
MATT MORLEY: That as well will be addressed
through the development of the Phase 1 application.
DR. SPANO: “Lark and Winchester intersection is
currently now a congestion problem. Sh ouldn’t the EIR
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address this intersection too?” So that’s Lark and
Winchester.
MATT MORLEY: As we mentioned previously, Lark
and Winchester was addressed through the Traffic Impact
Analysis. The study included that analysis and what the
delays at that int ersection were. What we’ll do, I think
we’ll see if we can pull up the analysis on Lark and
Winchester and get that up in a few minutes on the
overhead.
DR. SPANO: Okay. (To audience member) So the
question was?
AUDIENCE MEMBER: (Inaudible).
DR. SPANO: So did the analysis and what actually
happened, are they consistent with one another? So that was
the question for the overflow audience.
MATT MORLEY: The analysis considered the
development of the project, of the North 40 Specific Plan,
and ultimately an answer won’t be known until the full
development is in place.
DR. SPANO: “Why wasn’t the Oka Road/Lark
intersection considered in the TIA?”
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MATT MORLEY: The Oka Road/Lark intersection is
an intersection that has less load from the Oka Road
feed ing i nto that intersection, and it was determined not
to be a significant intersection and without impacts, so it
was not considered through the TIA.
DR. SPANO: “Much of the current Lark traffic in
the evenings is due to restricted capacity of Highway 17
and H ighway 9. Why doesn’t the Town allow Caltrans to widen
17 to 9?”
MATT MORLEY: The Council has a General Plan
policy that prohibits the widening of…or identifies the
widening of Highway 17 as not something that the Town is
accepting of.
DR. SPANO: “Los G atos Boulevard from 85 to Lark
is already overwhelmed due to only two lanes existing each
way. Why won’t the Town use eminent domain now to take the
eight properties to widen the road so we don’t have to wait
30 more years?”
ROBERT SCHULTZ: That’s certain ly a possibility,
and I would go on that question that will answer any type
of eminent domain question where I’ve answered that about
the process you have to go through, and I think as Laurel
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mentioned, it’s a process that you do have to pay the fair
marke t price for that property, so each property would be
entitled to it if we were to pay for that.
Normally the way we have done it is that we wait
till that development comes through and it’s part of the
development. Then we’re able to extract that as a nexu s
from the project’s impacts so that we don’t have to pay for
that property. But certainly the eminent domain process
does allow for that to happen.
DR. SPANO: “Is it possible to have a new traffic
study, a new TIA, that uses local standards versus the TIA
formulas that aren’t truly relevant?”
MATT MORLEY: The Traffic Impact Analysis
standards are identified in our Town’s General Plan, so
very specific to the Town, adopted by the Town, and even
more stringent than, for instance, the VTA standards, which
g overn a little bit more broadly. So the Town has its own
standards that it has adopted and follows.
DR. SPANO: “Given that traffic has become
significantly worse in years since the EIR, will a new EIR
be done?” Let me just ask that. We’ve asked that quest ion.
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“If traffic level of service is shown at D or F,
will all future development be halted? How often will
traffic EIRs be repeated?” Let’s just take the levels of
service is shown to be D or F. Will all future development
be halted?
MATT MORLEY: If an intersection is at E or F it
needs to be brought back to a Level D, so the acceptable
level of service; there are multiple ways to do that. The
Town collects traffic impact fees that allow the Town to do
projects along the way, and it also can be incorpora ted
in to a project development.
DR. SPANO: “How often are traffic EIRs done?”
This is requested. An EIR is requested, so it’s done at the
request of Council?
MATT MORLEY: Yeah, the Town has triggers on
where a Traffic Impact Analysis is done, and the threshold
for us is 20 trips, so if the project generates 20 vehicle
trips or more, then it’s required.
LAUREL PREVETTI: If I may?
DR. SPANO: Please.
LAUREL PREVETTI: If I could just add that
typically the driver for when we do traffic analysis is
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when we have a private development proposal . It’s unusual
for us to just do a traffic study just on our own, but we
typically do it when we have a specific proposal that is
asking us to evaluate some new development.
MATT MORLEY: It gets a little into the weeds,
but I did want to talk a little bit about the question on
Winchester Blvd and Lark Avenue, and if I can bring your
attention to the screen.
On this line where you see the arrow, Number 7,
Winchester Blvd and Lark Avenue, identifies the traffic for
both t he AM and the PM peak periods, the time when it’s
most impacted.
Under background, background is what was analyzed
and seen as what existed . What’s the existing situation?
The most telling there, you see the letter grades; both of
them are B at Winchester and Lark, so that’s what the…
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to some questions. I’ll run through the scenarios here.
You can see that the delay was 17 seconds; that’s
the number right to the side of the B, so 17.4 in the AM
and 17.7 in the PM.
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Two projects were analyzed; we called them
Project A and Project B. When you add those projects you
can see what happens to the delay; it increases by .7, or
by roughly 3 seconds, to a B - and a C+.
That’s how the anal ysis is done, and that’s
really a little bit in the weeds on the details, but that’s
where the comparisons come from, and this level of analysis
happens with all of the intersections.
DR. SPANO: So the question is what year was this
analysis done?
MATT MORLEY: The analysis was done in March
2014.
DR. SPANO: The question is traffic analysis
since 2014?
MATT MORLEY: The traffic analysis, as with the
rest of the EIR, is a snapshot in time, so it has captured
a particular point in time, and that’s the info rmation
that’s had when the decisions are made, and that’s the
information that goes forward.
The information that we’re dealing with is a
comparison between the existing traffic and how the
development will cause the traffic to increase, and so that
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snap shot in time identifies what that increase from the
development will be, and the developer is required to
mitigate that delta.
AUDIENCE MEMBER: (Inaudible).
MATT MORLEY: Based on the information, yes, the
information at the time. But the capture is that delta in
impact, and that’s the mitigation that’s required.
DR. SPANO: Okay, and so I’m hearing very clearly
the request here for an updated traffic analysis.
MATT MORLEY: We’ll provide a more detailed
summary of the traffic analysis online in the Q&A, so that
you’ll have that for the future.
DR. SPANO: Very good. Thank you. Christina, we
okay on traffic questions? Any other traffic questions?
AUDIENCE MEMBER: (Inaudible).
DR. SPANO: Thank you for your comment. And so we
can record what you have, it would be great if you filled
that out on the… Thank you very much for that. Thank you.
I’m not hearing any other questions, seeing any
other questions on traffic. A couple school questions came
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“The North 40 developer promotes on his Facebook
page that it is working on an agreement with the Los Gatos
Union School District. Why are they not talking to Cambrian
School District who has unused schools in their ownership?”
I’m not sure we’re in a position to answer that que stion
since it’s a School District question.
I’ve got one other school question: “If there is
overcrowding in Los Gatos schools, what was the rationale
to put the residential housing within Los Gatos School
District boundaries and not Cambrian School Dist rict?”
AUDIENCE MEMBER: (Inaudible).
DR. SPANO: They are here in a listening role
tonight, not in a speaking role tonight, and they were told
that they would be in a listening role and not in a
speaking role tonight.
So the rationale for residential housing in Los
Gatos School District boundaries and not the Cambrian
School District?
JOEL PAULSON: I’ll offer that obviously that was
a topic that was discussed at length through the Specific
Plan process and through the Environmental Impact Report
process, and ultimately the determination was made to allow
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housing and to allow housing across the site, with the
caveat that the Northern District would only allow
residential that is above commercial. So that anticipation,
the reduction over time of the number of units.
T he school districts did participate and wrote
letters, the ones that were interested and concerned, and
that documentation is in the Council and Planning
Commission packets from when the Specific Plan went through
the process.
I’d also offer , I ’m sure most if not all of you
have already been to the Town’s North 40 website. There is
an abundance of information, and background material as
well , to be pulled from that specifically, and I’d then
point to Ms. Prevetti if she has anything additional to
offer.
LAUREL PREVETTI: I just want to add that one of
the large topics that we talked about when we were going
through the Planning Commission and Council meetings was
what kind of community are we trying to create, and one of
the Guiding Principles is that the North 40 should address
the Town’s residential and/or commercial unmet needs. What
that means is that we have a lot of family housing already
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within our community, but we know we have people who are
choosing to age and continue to live in our community,
which is great, so there is a need for senior housing, and
then there’s also a need for all of us who have kids who
are graduating high school and going to college or whatever
and starting to get jobs, and we would love for our youth
to be able to come back into our community and live here as
well.
Those are some of the unmet needs that we’re
trying to address through the Specific Plan. It’s kind of
an indirect way to get to the school issue, but it was
something that we debated pretty strenuously.
DR. SPANO: “Please clarify. Did the TIA include
the Netflix development and other proposed anticipated
projects?”
MATT MORLEY: Yes, it did.
DR. SPANO: Very good. Thank you. Question was,
“Only half of those buildings are now currently occupied.”
MATT MORLEY: The TIA considered the Netflix
build -out for its entirety, not for what was currently
occupied.
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MATT MORLEY: The question is the traffic now is
only half of what it will be when it’s currently occupied,
and that is correct, and the analysis that was conducted
for Netflix incorporated the full traffic study for full
occupancy in Netflix, not what the current level was.
AUDIENCE MEMBER: (Inaudible).
DR. SPANO: The question was, and this is for our
friends in the lob by, “Do you audit the results?” Matt.
MATT MORLEY: Our traffic engineer reviews the
traffic on a regulation basis, and although it’s not an
official audit per se, it is a review of the traffic levels
within the Town, and you can see from traffic study to
traffic study what the impacts are. It does become
difficult to attribute the traffic, because there are many
factors that contribute to traffic at a particular
intersection. It’s difficult to identify specifi cally where
that traffic is coming from over time.
LAUREL PREVETTI: Let me just add, as Director
Morley said earlier, we have some funds that have been set
aside, so that way after Netflix is completed we can do
some analysis to determine what within that vicinity can
the Town do to try and reduce th e impacts further, and that
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may in terms of vehicles, but it also might be in terms of
introducing other modes, such as bicycle and pedestrian
improvements. So there is more work to come, because we
still haven’t done those studies since Netflix is still
u nder construction.
DR. SPANO: This question here is about beach
traffic, so we won’t take that up. It’s not North 40, but
just so we air the question here. “The Town doesn’t want to
widen 17, however the struggling with beach traffic and
Santa Cruz Avenu e is not a solution.”
Okay, I’m going to jump around a little bit with
another school question. “A payment to the School District.
Agreement includes a provision whereby the District cannot
contest any aspect of the development as the School
District represents the Town residents. That in essence
precludes a significant voice of the residents. How could
the right of residents to contest or voice dissent be taken
away? Is that provision legal?” How can the right of
residents to contest of voice dissent be taken away?
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ROBERT SCHULTZ: I guess I heard clapping, but
I’m not sure I understand the question. The voice of
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residents can still be heard. They come to the Planning
Commission meeting and they come to Council.
The School District, their fees that they collect
from the developer are set by the State. That’s the .56 ¢
per square foot and the 346, so it’s set. They were able to
negotiate additional amounts that will benefit the School
District, and whether that was not enough, whether that was
too much, that can be debated, but I’m not sure how that
agreement that enabled them to obtain more than State law
would allow them to obtain somehow took away the voice of
the citizens of Los Gatos. Maybe they can go to the School
District and say it wasn’t enough, but any amount above and
beyond is more than what was allowed under State law.
DR. SPANO: And just maybe by way of
clarification, the premise here: “The agreement included a
provision whereby the District cannot contest any aspect of
the developme nt.” So that’s a premise that’s leading to the
question.
ROBERT SCHULTZ: And that would just be the
School District, and that’s an agreement between the two
parties. It still allows any of the citizens to contest the
actual project.
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DR. SPANO: We’re goi ng to jump back to specific
planning questions; I’ve got a couple here. “I appreciate
the strenuous effort done with the Specific Plan regarding
youth housing, but is it realistic under the current
application if 274 proposed units are above market income
rate?” Is that realistic for the youth housing?
JOEL PAULSON: Again, Phase 1 application
information, I don't know, because I don't know how much
they’re ultimately sold for. We can look to get some of
that data. And obviously it’s going to depend on the youth.
Folks coming back to town, it’s challenging for some of
them to get into the market, because it is a good market
here, and so I don't know that they’re going to be on the
order of magnitude where folks can come back and then
they’ll automatically ha ve a spot. It will provide an
additional type of housing, which is important for the
unmet needs piece, but the specific circumstances would
dictate whether or not certain individuals are going to be
able to afford these types of units when they’re
constru cted.
DR. SPANO: This question here circles back to
the unmet needs that we talked about: “Does the Town have
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any quantification of the unmet needs by market?” The
preamble: The Specific Plan talks about unmet needs for
residential. Appendix C talks about seniors. Does the Town
have any quantification of the unmet need?
LAUREL PREVETTI: I wasn’t with the Town at the
time that the Advisory Committee was doing all of its work,
but I believe there were several market studies that were
done to help inform the preparation of the Specific Plan. I
know the Housing Element has to do a demographic analysis
to identify the needs across all income spectrums, so that
analysis is definitely in the document.
Typically the State focuses more on housing for
older persons as opposed to our younger population, but I
think here in Los Gatos we’re really interested in making
sure we can house all segments and all types of households
within our community.
We’ll look a little bit deeper in our documents
and put something up on the FAQ regarding that.
DR. SPANO: Still Specific Plan: “Are there any
other areas in Los Gatos that have 20 units per acre? If
not, what is the largest?”
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JOEL PAULSON: There are areas of town that have
20 units per acre, and there are existing developments
around town that exceed 20 units per acre. We can pull
together some of those sites and get that information
posted on the Frequently Asked Questions as well.
DR. SPANO: The question from the audience was:
“What’s the definition of a unit?”
JOEL PAUL SON: It’s an individual living unit,
whether it’s a single -family detached house, an apartment,
condo or townhome, that is a unit. It could be a secondary
dwelling unit. There are a number of different definitions
for what a unit is. The density is based on the number of
units per acre of the site, and that’s where the density is
driven.
DR. SPANO: “The Town used to have standards for
open space and parking. Does the Specific Plan reduce this?
T hat would be private and public open space .” The Town used
t o have standards for open space and parking. Does the
Specific Plan reduce that? And including both public and
private open space.
JOEL PAULSON: I’ll speak to the parking first.
There are some opportunities that are allowed by Town Code,
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but the Specific Plan explicitly allows them, whether
that’s shared use of parking, there’s some allowance I
believe for reduced numbers for a certain project or unit
types, s o with the parking, yes.
Open space, we have required setbacks, so that’s
not necessarily open space, but we do have General Plan
language that speaks to providing open space. I don’t
recall an actual specific number for either commercial or
residential that is in place currently, and so if someone
has reference to when that was in place or whether it was
commercial and residential, or not, we can do some research
on that.
DR. SPANO: We’ve had questions about amending
the Specific Plan, et cetera. This one is: “Can the
Specific Plan be amended while there is a pending
application?”
ROBERT SCHULTZ: It depends where in the planning
process that pending application is. Under the Permit
Streamlining Act and the Subdivision Map Act there is what
i s called being deemed complete, and once an application is
deemed complete, that then locks in your rules, regu lations
and laws that are in effect at that time.
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For example, the application that is in right now
has been deemed complete, so if any amendments were
proposed and changed while that application is still
pending and deemed complete, it wouldn’t affect th at
application.
DR. SPANO: “The hillside views are obliterated
based on the orange story poles. Can you require that the
buildings be lowered?”
JOEL PAULSON: The Specific Plan sets maximum
height. Those are maximum heights, however, again, getting
back t o the by right and the State density bonus provisions
which allow concessions to any number of topics, they can
request those exceptions as part of the density bonus
project. So then it’s whether or not we can make the
findings, and I think it’s a finding that has to be made,
if we don’t think that concession is appropriate.
DR. SPANO: We’ll go back to traffic: “Does the
TIA conclude that the Winchester/Lark Avenue delay from
current to the full development of the North 40 in the AM
be only a 0.7 seconds?” The delay.
MATT MORLEY: That is correct.
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DR. SPANO: Okay, very good. Thank you. This is
for Staff: “Do you live in Town? If so, how can you recite
these traffic findings with a straight face?” Okay, so I’m
not (inaudible) that one. Not sure that question followed
our guidelines in staying focused on the information and
fact sharing aspect of our question asking tonight.
Another traffic question: “How can you say that
the plan won’t impact downtown when traffic is currently
preventing people from getting downtown now, and it will
only get worse with the density of the North 40?”
MATT MORLEY: I think I’ll start by saying that
the Council and Staff spend a significant amount of our
time managing traffic, and we look for every opportunity to
help to manage the traffic and to lower the impacts of
traffic in the Town, so anything that we can do that
achieves that is something that we would take on.
We are limited by the standards that are set
fourth through the Traffic Impact Analysis, and that guides
us real ly on the analysis. Then the alignment of the
impacts from the project really drives the direction of
where the improvements can occur.
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This particular project has very high standards,
higher standards than are regionally adopted, so the
efforts continue to look for every opportunity to manage
the traffic, but I think what the heart of the question is,
is there an increase in traffic? A nd there ultimately is.
It’s been determined to be within the tolerable standards
that the Town has set forth for itself.
DR. SPANO: Very good. I have about five or six
commercial questions, and I’ve got a big stack of housing
questions here. I’m thinking it might be a good time to
take a break. We’re just about at the two -hour mark; so
let’s just take ten minutes. There ar e refreshments. If you
keep those refreshments out in the lobby, that would be
great. We’ll take ten minutes, and we’re going to reconvene
here at five after, five after sharp. We’ll do commercial
questions, and then housing.
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We’ll go ahead and get started here for the
second half. Want to just remind you about the cards, and
please fill out the blue card for questions, the yellow
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card if you have comments, and Staff will collect those
comment cards. We won’t be reading the comment cards
tonight. T hen the beige card if you do want to speak
tonight in Verbal Communications.
Also, if you do have a follow up question, fill
out another blue card, and we’l l get the blue card in here
and we’ll do the follow up question as well.
We have had a couple questions about the School
District, the Superintendent and School Board members that
are here tonight. T hey are here tonight as the Town’s
invited guests, and just in the way that we designed the
meeting, they were not told to be prepared with a
presentation or to answer questions. I have talked to a
couple superintendents, and they invite and encourage you
to contact them directly if you have any questions related
to their agreements or how they’re handling North 40 issues
within their school boards and districts.
Okay, we’re going to move forward. As I
mentioned, we’ll have some questions around the commercial
development aspect, then there are lots of questions around
housing, and then during the break a couple more Specific
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Plan questions came in, so let’s just tackle those before
we move on to those other topics.
“What process is availab le to revoke the Specific
Plan? Not amend, to revoke the Specific Plan.” Is there a
process available, and what would that look like?
ROBERT SCHULTZ: The Town Council is who approved
the Specific Plan, so they can as part of an amendment
actually revoke it and make those changes to it. As I
stated though, if it was revoked to morrow that wouldn’t
affect the current application that’s in place, because
it’s been deemed complete.
So that’s the Town Council always has control
over its own document. If the question is could the citizen
do an initiative or referendum to revoke the Specific Plan,
no, that’s not available. The timeframe for when the
Specific P lan could have been referendumed by the citizens
has passed.
DR. SPANO: “Since there has not been an
application for Phase 2, can the Specific Plan be amended
to state no devel opment, retail or anything in Phase 2?”
Can it be amended for Phase 2?
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ROBERT SCHULTZ: There has to be some potential
to develop a piece of property, or then we go back to the
whole argument of the taking of someone’s property.
Certainly the second phase could be amended. There is no
application pending and changes could be made. It could
result back into its original development potential, but
even doing that at this point in time could be deemed to
taking if you were down-zoning and then taking away,
bec ause we’ve allowed by approving the Specific Plan a
certain type of development. People could say they’ve
already relied on that passage of that Specific Plan, and
if you were down-zone it to open space then the argument
would be that would be a taking.
D R. SPANO: “Does the Specific Plan allow for
land to be set aside for open space and community
recreation as set forth in the General Plan for Los Gatos
Boulevard, or will all 44 acres be developed and cemented
over?”
JOEL PAULSON: As I mentioned before, there is an
open space requirement and a minimum of 30% has to be open
space, and a minimum of 20% of that 30% has to be green
open space, so it will not be paved over completely.
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DR. SPANO: “Where did the follow up fu nding for
the EIR come from? Who paid for the EIR?”
JOEL PAULSON: As with ev ery application process
in town we receive funds from an applicant, and then we use
our consultants and we are the overseers of the document,
its preparation and its final release. The developer funds
it , which is the same process we use for all of our
projects and environmental documents.
LAUREL PREVETTI: I would just add that if there
is a con cern with an EIR it’s the Town that’s the one that
gets sued. The dollars just essentially allow the analysis
to occur, but we are ultimately accountable for the
information that’s in the EIR, and the Town has a process
for certifying that it does in fact meet State law.
DR. SPANO: Very good, thank you. I have a couple
of traffic questions: “TIA measurement by car does not
re flect whole delay, seven seconds times number of cars.
Why does Town oppose widening 17?” The first one, let me
just find the question in there, “TIA measurement by car
does not reflect whole delay, seven seconds times number of
cars,” if that makes sense, Matt?
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MATT MORLEY: I’ll make the interpretation. I
think the interpretation is that the number of cars coming
out of the development would seem to equate to more than
seven seconds, so I’ll answer that as a question.
As vehicles come out of the development they will
go multiple directions, and the Traffic Impact Analysis
considers that and identifies what vehicles will go to what
intersections and what those vehicles at that particular
time will create in te rms of a backup at that intersection;
that equa tes to the delay.
AUDIENCE MEMBER: (Inaudible).
DR. SPANO: The question was: “How do you
quantify that?”
MATT MORLEY: So how do we quantify the delay to
the flow of traffic at a particular intersection? If you
think of yourself as an individual coming up to an
intersection, what you can anticipate is the delay being to
you as you approach that intersection, so it doesn’t
necessarily multiply. If there are five people coming to an
intersection , it doesn’t multiply that seven seconds times
the five people , it simply identifies the impact to you
specifically.
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DR. SPANO: Here’s another traffic question:
“Ther e are 270 three- to four -bedroom, two- to three-
bedroom, with a studio that can be converted into different
units. An average of two cars per unit. Since the market
price in Santa Clara the vast majority have to be dual-car
households. How many cars are estimated in the plan?” How
many cars are estimated in the plan by household is the
question.
MATT MORLEY: Whether it is household or
commercial space or office space, the Traffic Impact
Analysis considers the number of trips. Not the number of
vehicles, but the number of trips that are generated based
on the industry standard for that particular use. It uses
standards that are set for us, and those are the
requirements that are set forward based on our complying
with CEQA.
DR. SPANO: “Has a comparison been made to other
new high -density developments in town such as Bluebird
Lane? Can one be done?”
MATT MORLEY: The TIA looks at a much bigger
picture than independent development, so it’s a look
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holistically at how impacts in similar developments occur
and not at a small cross-section or a smaller subset.
DR. SPANO: So it can’t be zeroed into a Bluebird
Lane or any particular street in that way.
“Does the developer have any liability if the
traffic estimate in their plan is wrong?”
MATT MORLEY: No.
AUDIENCE MEMBER: (Inaudible).
MATT MORLEY: The question is: “How many cars are
in the plan?” and the follow up is, “Do we base it on the
number of trips tha t are expected out of the development?”
Yes. If you consider that a vehicle may or may
not leave at a particular time, the analysis is based on
what can be anticipated on the trips generated out of a
particular house. The example would be a residence that in
the morning somebody may go to work and somebody may stay
and work from home, and those average over the entire
development across the sample sizes, the samples that are
included that drive the standards that are used in the
analysis, so it’s a standar d space analysis.
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MATT MORLEY: The question is, “Does density
impact the number of trips?” Yes, the density does impact
the number of trips. The density is important in that the
trips are generated by unit.
DR. SPANO: And it would be great to put those
follow up questions on a blue card so we have those and
they can put them into their question pool.
I’m not sure if this is going to be answerable
here: “What is the current status with Grosvenor regarding
the schools? What h as been offered and on the table?” Do we
know that, or do we need to go to the schools for that?
JOEL PAULSON: The only agreement we’re aware of
is the agreement that has been entered in with the
elementary and middle school district, Los Gatos Union
Scho ol District, and we’re not aware of any other
agreements or negotiations between any other school
district and applicant.
LAUREL PREVETTI: That agreement is available
through the North 40 website if someone is interested in
seeing it.
DR. SPANO: We’re going to move over to about
five or so commercial questions. “Table 2.1 requires a CUP
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for a yoga studio, but not a restaurant with a bar. What is
the thinking behind that?” Table 2.1. CUP, Conditional Use
Permit for a yoga studio, but not a restaurant and bar, so
what was the thinking?
JOEL PAULSON: This is one of the additional
answers that we provided on the website today. I think the
reference to a yoga club actually is really into health
club, not a yoga studio. This was one of the main things
that we re considered, this table, throughout the North 40
Advisory Committee as well as Planning Commission and
Council , as far as what uses should be permitted and what
uses should require a Conditional Use Permit.
When it went through that process that was
dis cussed, this was the ultimate decision that was made by
the Council for what uses would be permitted in the various
districts and what uses would be required to get a
Conditional Use Permit.
DR. SPANO: “What makes the developer think any
additional retail space is needed in town in light of
lengthy vacancies of old?” and mentioning Blockbuster
Video, Wolf Camera, the Hallmark shop. So is the developer
doing an analysis that additional retail is needed? What
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are they basing that on? First, are they doing that, and if
so, what are they basing that on?
JOEL PAULSON: Ultimately there were a number of
leakage studies showing what categories the Town is lacking
and where folks that live in town have to leave the Town to
get certain goods and services. That study did show that
there was capacity from the leakage perspective to
accommodate new retail and other commercial uses.
DR. SPANO: “Table 2.2 specifies a maximum of
400,000 square feet of commercial. Does that mean the
Council can approve less than 400,000 square feet, any
amount it wants?”
JOEL PAULSON: Generally, yes. Those are
maximums, so the Council will have to consider whether or
not they think whenever the commercial comes forward
whether that’s the appropriate number or whether it should
be less. T h at will be evaluated during the planning process
that we’re currently going through, as well as any future
applications that might come forward.
DR. SPANO: “Is there anything in the Specific
Plan that would prevent the developer from leasing all
400,000 s quare feet to restaurant use?”
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JOEL PAULSON: Generally, yes, there is, because
it does talk about that all of the applications, again, are
going to be considered, and it does speak to a mix of uses
to help complement the rest of the Boulevard as well as
d owntown, so someone coming in with that amount of all
restaurant is not only highly unlikely, but it also would
be challenging to show that that actually conforms with the
Specific Plan.
DR. SPANO: “Is there any limitation around
restaurants at all in the Specific Plan, the amount of
restaurants?”
JOEL PAULSON: I don't know that there is a
specific limit, no. It’s just part of the greater
application review of where restaurants are anticipated, or
as they move forward through the process.
DR. SPANO: “I f the Specific Plan was to be
revoked, what happens to the land in the North 40?” If the
Specific Plan was revoked?
JOEL PAULSON: If the Specific Plan is revoked,
then it would revert back to its former zoning designations
or the zoning designation that complies with the General
Plan. So if it gets revoked, then I would guess that would
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be the likelihood, but I will look to the Town Attorney to
see if he has any additional input.
ROBERT SCHULTZ: We did make changes to our
General Plan to make it consistent with the Specific Plan.
I still look at it as an amendment. If in fact Council
wanted to make changes, it isn’t just a revocation of it;
there has to be some discussion about what the underlying
designation is going to be. I t just wouldn’t automatically
go back to the previous, because that’s already been
amended and is no longer applicable, so a complete
revocation would put it in a very precarious place, because
there has to be some designation of what that land can and
cannot do.
DR. SPANO: “Can the o riginal 750 homes and
586,000 square feet from 2010 take over if that was to be
revoked?”
JOEL PAULSON: As Mr. Schultz was explaining,
there would be necessary Zoning Ordinance amendments as
well as General Plan amendments if the plan was revoked.
The pr evious General Plan designation, if I remember
correctly , was mixed-use commercial, so that does allow up
to 50% coverage for the site, and so you can take 20 acres
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times 50%. Theoretically that would kind of leave your
building envelope, which could be far in excess the 501
that’s currently the maximum cap.
I think it’s important to point out that one of
the previous questions, there is also an additional cap of
commercial with the exclusion of office and hotel; I think
office and hotel. That cap is actually 400,000 square feet
for the other commercial uses, but I just wanted to offer
that.
DR. SPANO: Another commercial question, not
directly related to the North 40, but we’ll see if we have
an answer here: “What is the total square footage of retail
curr ently in downtown Los Gatos?”
JOEL PAULSON: We will pull that information from
the previous documents and add that to our FAQ. I do not
recall off the top of my head.
DR. SPANO: A couple Specific Plan questions
before we move over to housing. “Will the sewer system of
the North 40 be serviced by Campbell? If so, that system is
antiquated and needs upgrades.” T his related back to our
earlier question about coordination with Campbell. Will the
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sewer system be coordinated with Campbell? Will Campbell
servic e it ?
MATT MORLEY: The sewer system is West Valley
Sanitation and they will maintain that sewer system.
DR. SPANO: And the comment, not a question, that
that system is antiquated and needs upgrades, and somebody
is going to have to pay for that. You want to comment on
that, Matt?
MATT MORLEY: Significant analysis has been done
on the sewer system and its capacity for the site, and
upgrades will account for all of the need associated with
that sewer system.
DR. SPANO: And then who would pay for that?
M ATT MORLEY: That’s part of the development. The
development creates the impact; the development pays for
the improvements.
DR. SPANO: This is a Specific Plan question:
“Has Staff or anyone working for the Town examined the
negative impacts on property values all the development
will have with downslides, schools, traffic, et cetera?
What is a homeowner’s recourse?” Have the negative impacts
been examined in terms of the impact on property values?
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JOEL PAULSON: I don't know that we looked
specific ally at property value impacts; t hat’s not an
evaluation that we typically do. I know that does come up
quite often with even just a single -family home improvement
where neighbors have concerns, and so that is brought up. I
haven’t seen that personally analyzed, and so we might be
able to say that we definitely have not analyzed that. I’m
not sure if Mr. Schultz or Ms. Prevetti has anything
additional.
ROBERT SCHULTZ: Just with regard to the impact
for property values. I know no case law that ever been
undertake n where a homeowner has sued over a development
project from the impact of that development project on
their property value. Most of the legal challenges come
from a CEQA challenge or a findings challenge, but not on
the impacts from a property value.
DR. SPANO: “Does the maximum commercial FT have
the same bonus percentage as residential FT?”
JOEL PAULSON: Generally the State Density Bonus
Law only applies to residential; it does not apply to
commercial.
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DR. SPANO: We’re back to commercial. “Is the
No rth 40 commercial element targeted the same as the
Downtown District?” Is the North 40 commercial element
targeted, treated the same way as the Downtown District?
JOEL PAULSON: Ultimately the Specific Plan sets
the parameters. There are provisions in the Specific Plan
that have requirements that are less stringent than some of
the downtown properties, so that clearly was set up when it
went through the process. There are differences between how
downtown applications are provided for when compared to
proper ties that are going to come forward in the Specific
Plan.
DR. SPANO: Good. “With the maximum commercial
development, how many jobs are anticipated? Is that
provided by planned housing adequate to support these
jobs?” So if there has been a jobs analysis.
JOEL PAULSON: That is evaluated in the
Environmental Impact Report. I will pull that data as well,
so that we can get that posted online. It does anticipate
based on square footage, and they do anticipate a number of
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DR. SPANO: “Why are CUPs, Conditional Use
Permits, different for downtown and North 40? Why do
developers get easier rules than downtown businesses on the
North 40 side?
JOEL PAULSON: That was a discussion along the
way as well, obviously, with the concerns. So when it came
forward and went through the process, ultimately given the
additional detail and development standards that are being
applied to the Specific Plan, I can’t speak that there was
actually anything specific that I recall that was stated
other than typically in a development like this you are
going to have…
It’s important to understand where you are from a
potential tenant perspective. I think some of that
information was provided as well when it went through the
process, a nd then ultimately it was determined that there
probably is going to be, for instance, restaurants in the
North 40, and so anticipating that, knowing that, analyzing
the impact of some percentage of restaurants, it was
determined that, for instance, that use where a CUP is
required in downtown, it is not required in the North 40
Specific Plan.
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DR. SPANO: There’s a question here asking, “Why
is Los Gatos not joining with other California cities and
towns to push back against State mandates,” mentioning som e
of the State mandates here in terms of water supply and
pollution report. I’m not sure if this relates directly to
the North 40 or not. Was there a water analysis done? Was a
pollution report? Was that related to the North 40, tied
into the North 40?
MATT MORLEY: The North 40 is required to comply
with stormwater requirements within the State, and will do
so. A large amount of that includes retention of stormwater
onsite and ensuring that the stormwater that’s released is
cleaned and unpolluted, and that will certainly be a part
of the project.
DR. SPANO: And the question here is asking why
Los Gatos isn’t pushing back against those State mandates,
joining with other cities and towns in California, pushing
back against those mandates?
MATT MORLEY: Los Gatos is part of a broader
coalition of cities that provides input to the State on
stormwater issues, and the Town provides their voice
through that coalition and does provide input to State
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requirem ents as they come forward. The State requirements
do get stricter and stricter over time, and we do work with
our coalition to provide input that would help to manage
the continued requirements.
LAUREL PREVETTI: If I could just add that we did
do a water supply assessment, so there was an analysis done
and it’s included in the Environmental Impact Report, and
working with the Water District and the water retailer we
found that there is adequate water supply.
I want to just add that we know that we are still
in a drought condition, and so we do have local ordinances
that encourage and require more conservation than what the
State is requiring, so I think, again, our environmental
history here in the Town is continuing, and our legacy, and
so we tend to be more proactive in making sure that we’re
protecting our env ironment, whether it’s regarding
stormwater, drought, water supplies or other issues; it is
something that we’re very mindful of and this plan was
intended to make sure that we continue with that pattern.
DR. SPANO: Thank you.
ROBERT SCHULTZ: I’ll add o ne more.
DR. SPANO: Please.
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ROBERT SCHULTZ: We do push back, if that’s the
word you want to use, against the State. As Matt mentioned,
we participate in a coalition of what’s called the League
of California Cities. I serve on and was appointed by that
Le ague of California Cities to sit on a housing committee.
W e meet four times a year to discuss the various bills that
are being proposed, to keep us informed, and we do vote on
oppose or support for those bills. We are part of a
coalition with many of our n eighboring cities and keep
track and inform Council of the different bills that the
State is trying to impose on us to take away local control.
DR. SPANO: Okay, we are moving over into housing
now. “What is the definition of ‘affordable housing’ as
requir ed by the State?”
JOEL PAULSON: There are different levels of
affordable housing. There is Moderate, Medium, Low, Very
Low , and there’s actually a new category, Extremely Low.
Generally it’s based on and starts at Moderate is up to
100%, and so it’s using the Santa Clara County average
median income is what the basis is, so they evaluate that
and then they look at which different categories they can
go into.
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Our policy generally looks at having a mix
between Low and Moderate units being what we start off
with. I f a development comes in and they’re proposing a
certain type of project, then we would ask that half of the
required BMP units be of Low category and half be in the
Moderate category, or Medium.
LAUREL PREVETTI: And if I may just add some
quantif ication to that. We follow the United States Housing
and Urban Development Guidelines for determining
affordability, and it’s all based on our county median
income, so we are a high-income community compared to other
counties throughout California.
By way of example, in 2014 if you are a household
of four persons and you made essentially $100,000 a year,
you would be right at that median, that’s kind of the
benchmark. To be Moderate, you would have to be $120% of
median, so if you’re a family of four and y ou earned
$120,000, that would be considered above Moderate.
And then Extremely Low, just to kind of put the
other side, that would be 30% of the area median income,
and that would mean a family of four earning essentially
$32,000 a year. So again, those numbers mean that you still
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are earning income, but you’re essentially qualifying for
affordable housing.
And Very Low is 50%, as Joel mentioned, and for a
family of four that’s essentially $54,000 a year.
So working families are essentially considered
aff ordable housing in this county.
DR. SPANO: “How will the Garden Cluster homes
look and feel like Los Gatos?”
JOEL PAULSON: I’m assuming that’s speaking
specifically to the Phase 1 project that will be analyzed.
T hat was one of the residential unit types that was spoken
about in the Specific Plan itself, so there was some
anticipation that there be some multi-family units to be
produced onsite, and so that will be evaluated and that
will part of the Planning Commission and Council purview as
they move forw ard to determine whether or not that does
look and feel like Los Gatos, the proposed project as it
currently sits.
DR. SPANO: You want to add anything to that,
Rob? Are we good?
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When we were talking earlier about youth as an
unmet need, the question here is: “Are you talking just
about Los Gatos youth that went to our schools?”
JOEL PAULSON: No. I can elaborate a little bit.
We can’t restrict housing in that fashion, and if the Town
Attorney needs to add anything else, but generally we don’t
have the abi lity to make those kinds of restrictions.
DR. SPANO: This question is related to the
earlier question about pushing back against State mandates,
ABAG, et cetera, mentioning Los Altos and Monte Sereno
successfully legally circumvented those and why Los Gatos
is not doing what the question asker says Los Altos and
Monte Sereno are doing?
ROBERT SCHULTZ: I’ll have to research both of
those, because I’m not aware that they were able to
circumvent State law. There is an appeal process; Saratoga
went through it. I know they lost. There is an appeal
process when they come out with the RHNA numbers that you
can appeal and provide factual evidence that the numbers
that they have given you are too high. Sometimes those
appeals are won. I’m trying to think of the num ber,
Saratoga, they were giving I believe in the high-400s as
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opposed to ours; it was 600s. They wanted to try to lower
it down to the 419 number , and they lost.
So whomever the person is that knows Monte Sereno
and the other community and how they circumvented the law,
if they know more, I can certainly look into that and
provide a more detailed answer, but anyone who has tried to
circumvent the law has lost in any lawsuit that I’m aware
of.
LAUREL PREVETTI: And in fact just recently the
Monte Sereno City Council had to zone a property for multi-
family development. Of course it was very controversial
there, but that was to implement its housing element. So
again, they needed to show action to zone adequate site for
affordable housing and so the Council did take that action.
AUDIENCE MEMBER: (Inaudible).
DR. SPANO: Okay, so the comment here is about
using granny units and so forth, and Laurel, that’s for
people in the lobby.
LAUREL PREVETTI: Right, thank you very much. So
again, like many cities we use a combination of sites to
try to meet our housing needs, and the Town of Los Gatos
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has a plan to expand its secondary housing unit provisions
to also count towards our affordable housing needs.
Because of the way Monte Sereno did it and
reduced the density on the Hacienda site, they had to find
a replacement site. The replacement site was found, and so
they are in compliance with their housing element.
ROBERT SCHULTZ: So it wasn’t to circumvent the
law, they just found another.
And this is the many meetin gs that were discussed
on coming up with our RHNA numbers, and if you did not zone
the North 40 to use our RHNA numbers, where else were you
going to use that? There were a number of sites: the
Knolls, the Lodge, Oka Road, and those are available that
we c an provide you with that they looked at very detailed
in many meetings to determine which were the ones to use,
and we are using some of our secondary units and are trying
to expand that, so that we can use more of them.
DR. SPANO: We had the earlier question about
definition of affordable housing. This is: “Define Low
Income and Very Low Income.”
LAUREL PREVETTI: I believe I just did the Very
Low Income.
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LAUREL PREVETTI: Yeah, homeless. We do have
working homeless in this county, so that is an issue, but
like any affordable housing program, our BMP, someone would
have to demonstrate that they qualify because of income,
and ultimately it’s the property owner that would decide
whether or not an individual qualifies, together with our
housing program administrator.
So it’s theoretically possible, but again, we’d
need to look to house all income segments of our community,
and to the extent we have working homeless that are looking
for permanent housing, that could be one population served.
DR. SPANO: The question here was whether
homeless for eligible for the affordable housing units.
Here’s just an interesting little question, sort
of trivia question: “Is the Governor’s bill AB 250, by our
own Assemblyman Evan Low ?” Does anybo dy know that? We can
move on.
ROBERT SCHULTZ: We can make certain. In my mind
it’s Governor Brown’s bill, because it was trailer bill and
it was tacked onto the budget as a gut and amend, so it
didn’t go through any committees whatsoever. I don’t know
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the particular assemblyman or senator, but we can check on
that and say who actually help sponsor it with the
Governor’s office.
DR. SPANO: “If housing is spread into the
Northern District, is it possible, given height limits and
requirements of residential over commercial?”
JOEL PAULSON: Can you repeat that?
DR. SPANO: “…is it possible, given height limits
and requirements of residential over commercial?” Can
residential trump, supersede, over commercial?
JOEL PAULSON: It is possible within the height
li mits to have a vertical mixed-use development, and the
Specific Plan permits that, so that is a possibility. We
would have to see it.
I think the other challenge gets to be depending
on how many acres still have to be at the 20 dwelling units
per acre . I think it gets interesting from a site planning
perspective to try to get that type of density above
commercial, but I couldn’t say it’s not possible at all.
We’d have to look at that.
DR. SPANO: “What is the affect on the Los Gatos
Union School District d eal to obtain extra mitigation?”
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ROBERT SCHULTZ: I think we’ve addressed that.
The agreement is online and you can look at exactly what
their deal was and what they did get through that
agreement. Again, the Town didn’t participate in those
negotiations.
DR. SPANO: “Our Town Attorney has painted a
bleak picture. Please state what the options are. It
doesn’t sound like the number of units can be reduced. It
doesn’t appear there will be another EIR. The Los Gatos
schools received the settlement. The quest ion: Can the
application be denied?”
ROBERT SCHULTZ: That will all take place during
the application process. The Applicant has due process
rights. I’m not even a member that would be voting on this,
it’s the Planning Commission and the Council, and they’ll
weigh all the evidence and determine whether it is in
compliance with the Specific Plan.
I certainly said that yes, there are by rights
for 270 units, but certainly they do still have to meet the
design guidelines and the standards that are set forth in
the Specific Plan, and so that’s going to be the issue that
they need to decide.
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What I think I tried to get across is I’ve heard
quite a bit of let’s reduce it, and that’s a maximum of
270, but because of the Housing Element that is also on top
of that Specific Plan they do have the by right of doing
270 units plus a density bonus. So, yes, that is bad news
for the development, if you wanted to reduce the density,
but there are many, many, many issues that are still on the
table for the Planning Commission and Council to look at
and decide, one being, I think it’s been brought up, a unit
is described in many different ways, and what is the size
of those units that fit within the parameters of the
Specific Plan ?
DR. SPANO: “With Town opposition on density and
intersection of North 40 application, and we know as a town
we need a housing unit of 619, why not create a lottery of
more in -law units?”
JOEL PAULSON: I don’t understand the lottery
question, but maybe providing opportunities where they
currently d on’t exist is the idea of a lottery. I know that
there was a time period in the, I’m going to say mid-
eighties , where we did grandfather a lot of second units in
town.
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Then we actually are looking at modifying one of
the General Plan or Housing Element action items to allow
second units where we currently don’t allow them, so we’ll
be doing a Zoning Code amendment for that and taking that
through the process. I t’s not a lottery per se, but we are
going to try to loosen up the restrictions that currently
ex ist for certain properties, and that will make it easier,
but we can’t force people to apply to build these units ,
and they still need to meet some other parameters.
LAUREL PREVETTI: T he Housing Element identified
28 of the 619 units as being the share that would happen
through secondary units. We could certainly exceed that.
That’s , again, going to be up to the individual property
owners in terms of whether or not they want to pursue the
new opportunity to build more secondary units.
DR. SPANO: “Why does North 40 housing not need
to follow square foot ratio?”
JOEL PAULSON: There are certain parameters where
FAR applies. FAR applies to single- and two -family
dwellings, and so those are going to be detached. Once you
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apply in the Town Code either. Here, same thing: there
isn’t an FAR for multi -family units.
DR. SPANO: This has to do with the distribution
of housing in the North 40: “Why is it crunched into one
small area of the total project area. Can Town Council
require that the housing be equally divided among the 40
acres?”
JOEL PAULSON: We answered that earlier. Any of
that that is spread, or if they can’t accomplish it in the
Northern section, then we will have to find additional
sites to accommodate that housing.
DR. SPANO: “Why was the maximum number of units
changed from 364 down to 270?”
JOEL PAULSON: It was discussed during the
hearings; I’m going way deep into my recollections. During
the process of the Specific Plan and the Housing Element
there was some overlap, and so there was a conversation,
because we did have a lot of conversations about these by
right density bonus concerns that were raised just through
the Housing Element. It works out that if someone were to
take advantage of a density bonus on this site, then 270 is
the number where if you apply 35% bonus you’d get back to
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the 364, so it’s accommodating the up to 364, which was
also the number of units that was analyzed in the
Environmental Impact Report.
DR. SPANO: “Is the North 40 subject to the Los
Gatos Boulevard Plan?”
JOEL PAULSON: I believe we answered that in one
of our FAQs. Let me take a look. I think the short answer
is it is not applicable. The Specific Plan creates the
development parameters for all of the prope rties within the
Specific Plan area, but I will look and see if there is
anything to add to that.
DR. SPANO: “How will publicly accessible space
be ensured in the future? What is considered defined as
privately owned and maintained, and public access spac e?”
JOEL PAULSON: We are still, again, working
through the development application process. T here is a
significant amount of area that is going to be publicly
accessible, private open space, and we will be working
through that with ultimately probably CC&Rs and other
agreements , and there are conditions of approval that will
deal with that to make sure that it remains publicly
accessible.
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DR. SPANO: “Does the 13.5 in the North 40 that
is by right 20 units an acre all have to be in the Southern
District, Lark?”
JOEL PAULSON: The answer is no, and we’ve added
additional information on that in previous questions as
well.
LAUREL PREVETTI: We can go back to the Los Gatos
Boulevard Plan. The Specific Plan incorporates or
complements the concepts and guidelines from the Los Gatos
Boulevard Plan where applicable. Essentially, when the
Advisory Committee and Planning Commission were working on
the Specific Plan the Boulevard Plan was one of the inputs
into that process, so strictly as we evaluate the
development application we’re going to be evaluating it
against the Specific Plan, and not the Boulevard Plan.
DR. SPANO: “As one of the many renters that will
now be displaced by the North 40 development, what
provision for relocation assistance and affordable housing
will be provided for us?”
ROBERT SCHULTZ: We’ve also answered that one in
the Frequently Asked Questions. The Town doesn’t have any
ordinances, rules or regulations that call for relocation
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expenses, so we don’t address that. There are a number of
stat e laws that can address those issues, one being the
Ellis Act. I don't know the circumstances of each
individual renter and what their agreement is. For example,
the Ellis Act applies only for multi-dwellings, so I’m not
sure of the situation.
What we’ve done is we’ve tried to connect the
renters with people with the county, with our Hello
Housing , and with our mediation and arbitration service,
because we do provide mediation and arbitration service for
landlord/tenant issues, but we don’t have any ordinan ce
that we could enforce that requires that of a developer in
this type of situation.
DR. SPANO: “My analysis suggests that North 40
development is being done at maximum levels. Highest
possible buildings that zoning allows, highest possible
density as zoning allows, highest possible low-cost housing
as zoning allows. Is this true, and why is Los Gatos taking
that approach?”
ROBERT SCHULTZ: I think, again, that’s a
specific application question, and I think those are great
comments. T hat’s what needs to b e analyzed by the Planning
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Commission and by Council as to what are those height
issues, those setback issues, and whether they comply with
the Specific Plan, and to look at and analyze those. It
doesn’t specifically address anything in the Specific Plan,
so we’ll wait for those questions and comments and for the
deliberation by the Planning Commission and Council.
DR. SPANO: “Why can’t the Town require the
height of the houses to be lower by requiring the developer
to build basements instead of three to four story
buildings?”
JOEL PAULSON: Obviously we look at a development
application when it comes in and we compare that to, in
this case , the Specific Plan, Zoning Code or General Plan,
those documents. The applicant could propose to do cellars
to basemen ts, but that would be for them to propose. I
think it gets back to the same challenges with by right and
density bonus concessions where we will be looking to see
what , if any , options there are as they relate to that.
DR. SPANO: This question is about a ffordable
housing and State mandates, and the question is: “Is it
really a State mandate or is it more of a suggestion? In
other words, stating that housing is an issue although
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nothing is mandated or enforced, only suggested? Is that
true?”
JOEL PAULSON: I’ll go ahead and start. I think
it really gets back to there is State law that says you
have to have a Housing Element. I think the question that
comes up often is that the Town is required to plan and
show that we have adequate sites to accommodate that
housing. We are not required to build it or to go knock on
developers’ doors to have them build housing, but we do
have to show that the adequate sites are available in town
to accommodate those affordable units.
ROBERT SCHULTZ: I think Joel addressed it by
saying yes, there is a State mandate to have a Housing
Element, State mandate to show that you have adequate sites
to build your RHNA numbers. We don’t have the ability to go
do what the developer does. I did a memo about a year ago
and I can repost that again, as to the litigation that has
developed over towns and cities that either dragged their
feet or failed to produce adequate sites that could be
developed for affordable housing, and in each and every
case they lost, they’ve had to pay hundreds of thousands in
legal fees, and they had to develop a Housing Element.
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It has even been very close to where the State
has said they’ll even take away your planning authority if
you don’t. I f you want an analogy, because I’ve worked in a
lot of coast al cities , is every coastal town has to have a
local coastal plan with the Coastal Commission ; it’s the
same type of thing if you’ve got a State organization
implementing themselves on and tell ing the town or city
what to do and what they shouldn’t do.
Malibu was one that almost was in litigation for
many years, because they refused to follow the State
mandates of a coastal local plan, and they came very, very
close to having their planning powers taken away. There are
many other towns that have just said okay, we can’t do
this, we’re going to turn over your planning powers. In
many local coastal towns they don’t have even a planning
commission, because the State has taken it over through the
Coastal Commission.
Does the State have funding to do that? No. Do
they h ave the funding to even file suit against the towns
and the cities? That’s not really where it’s coming from.
The lawsuits come from the building associations that will
sue because you haven’t complied with State law. It’s not
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over the fact that you haven’t complied with State law.
DR. SPANO: “We know 20 homes per acre. What will
the square footage of the homes be?”
JOEL PAULSON: The development plans for the
Phase 1 application are online. I do not have that
information. I know there is a range of sizes. We will try
to pull some of that together and add that to the FAQs, or
create some other document for the Phase 1 specifically.
DR. SPANO: This might have been asked earlier.
Let’s see if there’s something new here. “If we spread the
housing over the 44 acres it would seem that we could
reduce the height of commercial and create mixed use,
commercial and housing, and include large open space. Does
the Specific Plan allow for that?”
JOEL PAULSON: The Specific Plan allows a number
of alterations. Again, I’ll go back to what we are doing is
we’re required to analyze any applications that come
forward against the Specific Plan that’s adopted. Is it
possible to have lower buildings spread out? It’s pos sible.
I can’t say that it’s not possible. But you end up running
into, depending on the types of units, trying to achieve
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the reduced heights and then also get to the 20 dwelling
units per acre, that site plan exercise you have to work
through . So t hat’s something that is possible, but we again
are evaluating the projects as they come through from an
application perspective.
ROBERT SCHULTZ: And I think if you turned to 2.7
of the tables, Permitted Land Uses, you would find in the
Lark District, though tha t was primarily in the Specific
Plan . S upposed to be residential and you’ll find m any
retails uses aren’t allowed; the formula retail businesses
aren’t. S o there are different things that are not allowed
in that Lark District, because it was supposed to be
primarily residential.
DR. SPANO: And Rob, I know you explained this in
the PowerPoint, but if you’d add a little bit to that.
“What is the concept of by right development as it applies
to the North 40?”
ROBERT SCHULTZ: By right development means that
basically you have that right to develop that many units at
that density. You don’t have the ability to reduce that
number of units if an applicant comes in. You’re able to
apply design review, and that’s maybe the look and feel and
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how it orientates with the neighborhood. You’re able to
make sure it complies with all the Specific Plan standards,
but you don’t have the discretion. This where the State
said t hat we had the discretion, for example, for the Lodge
properties, to say, “Well, we said the maximum was 270 but
we’re only going to allow you to have 200 units,” or, “We
decided we want all commercial now and no residential,”
because that truly would not allow for those RHNA numbers
to be met.
So the by right development is just as if you
have your home and it’s on an R -1 property. You can come in
and build your one residential home on there. You have to
meet all the standards, the setbacks, the height
restrictions, but the Town can’t say to you, “We don’t want
a home on that piece of property,” and that ’s the same with
the by right development. There are rights on this property
to develop it with 270 units.
DR. SPANO: “What specific latitude in the area
of design review does the Planning Commission and Town
Council have in regard to the upcoming application?
Revisions, approval, not approval? Are there examples from
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other communities we could look to?” So the latitude of
Commission and Council on design review?
JOEL PAULSON: I don’t have it with me, but March
30 th was the first time the Phase 1 application had gone to
the Planning Commission, and there is a Staff Report
associated with that that did lay out and speak to some of
that discretion. As it continues additional Staff Reports
will be prepared for the upcoming July 12 th meeting and then
following meetings with the Planning Commission, and also
with Council.
ROBERT SCHULTZ: Didn’t mean to grab the mic, but
it reminded me that I needed to discuss deadlines.
As Joel said, the application will be coming back
for Planning Commission discussion on July 12 th . That will
be a public hearing, public comment will be open, and we
welcome all your public comments. After all the public
comment is taken, then the Planning Commission will make a
recommendation to the Council.
The Planning Commission has to make a
recommendation to the Council by August 31 st per the Permit
Streamlining Act and the Subdivision Map Act. Then the
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Council has to make a decision under the State law by
September 7 th .
Those dates are very close together, so from a
S taff standpoint what we plan to do is have the Planning
Commission have the public comment period and everything
that ’s need in July, even if there will be special
meetings, and to have hearings in August in front of
Council so that we can make those deadlines.
It’s very imp ortant to make those deadlines so
the applicant doesn’t have any argument that because we
didn’t act within the State law that their application is
approved, so we need to comply with those deadlines so that
by September 7 th there will be a decision made. The Council
has the ability to approve, deny or modify the application
that is in front of them, if they can make the findings
that they need to in regard to the Specific Plan and the
Environmental Impact Report.
DR. SPANO: Very good. I have three questions
here that are about what we just heard in terms of why are
the Planning Commission and Town Council meetings being
scheduled for July and August, vacation time, obviously
it’s not conducive necessarily to public meetings, and so
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that’s the reason why, because of the deadline that the
Town is facing, and so we can answer those questions.
ROBERT SCHULTZ: I did a memo to the Mayor and
Council on May 24 th and we’ll put that online also for you.
It explains all the dates under the Permit Streamlining Act
an d the Subdivision Map Act that requires us to act within
those timelines.
DR. SPANO: “How much additional housing is
planned for the additional phases of the project?”
JOEL PAULSON: Until we have an application I
can’t tell you whether it is going to be none or the total
amount that’s left. I have to do a little math. I want to
say in the range of probably 30 units, and I’ll look to my
left. In the 270 capacity, so there’s capacity for the
potential for up to 44 units on any future phase that comes
forwa rd.
DR. SPANO: Very good. The next question, “They
don’t all need to be in Phase 1, right?” And so the answer
then is right. Yeah, they don’t need to all be in Phase 1.
“If 270 units can be developed by right, can we
use the Specific Plan to determine whe re they can be built
in the 44 acres and how they will be designed?”
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JOEL PAULSON: I think that’s been addressed
quite a bit throughout the evening tonight. The units can
be spread across the site, and then there will be design
review as it relates to the Specific Plan guidelines and
parameters that will be reviewed when it goes through
Planning Commission and Council.
DR. SPANO: “The estimated purchase price of the
studios, a one-bedroom, a two - or three-bedroom?” Just a
ballpark, if you have that.
JOEL PAULSON: We do not have that.
DR. SPANO: “What revenue is anticipated to be
generated in property taxes?”
JOEL PAULSON: I don't know that we’ve even done
that calculation, frankly, so ultimately wh atever
transaction takes place the Town typically receives I want
to say 9.6% of each dollar of property taxes.
DR. SPANO: Right, and I think that’s helpful for
people…
JOEL PAULSON: 9.6 cents on the dollar.
DR. SPANO: On the dollar on property taxes.
JOEL PAULSON: That would be entitled and come to
the Town , as well as any portion of the sales tax that
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might be generated by the 60,000-70,000 square feet of
commercial that is proposed in the first phase application.
DR. SPANO: “How does the size of the Campbell
side of the overall project…” Not clear. “H ow many
residential units in Campbell? How much retail square
footage in Campbell?”
JOEL PAULSON: For Campbell, I think we just
spoke about this as well, I think the line is pretty close
to where the first phase line is, but I don’t have that
exactly, so it could be up to 44, but I think we can take a
look at that piece and get that answer up as well.
Then the Northern District, we talked about that
would be predominantly commercial if the project that’s
currently before the Town is approved.
LAUREL PREVETTI: And I would just clarify that
none of the North 40 is in the City of Campbell, so when
there’s reference to Campbell in this response, it’s really
pertaining to the Campbell Union High School District that
serves the northern portion of the area together with the
Cambrian School District.
DR. SPANO: I think we’ve answered this, but let
me ask it just to make sure. “How does by right project
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apply when majority of the units are market rate, not
affordable housing?”
ROBERT SCHULTZ: We have to meet RHNA numbers of
619 across the entire board, not just for Low Income, not
just for Very Low, but it’s across the board of providi ng
units across all the needs, s o the 270 by our Housing
Element has the by right for the entire 270, not just for
affordable housing.
DR. SPANO: “How does the Town plan to meet our
619 RHNA allocation? By my calculation we would need to
build 3,669 to meet that number with a developer density
bonus.”
LAUREL PREVETTI: Our Housing Element identified
different ways to meet the need, and one of them was to
include the North 40 Specific Plan, so that’s 270 units.
The other approach was the secondary units that we talked
about; that was about 28 units. We also talked about doing
an enhanced secondary unit program; that would bring
anot her 27 units. We do include the South Bay site as
another housing opportunity site in the Town with a yield
of about 148 units, and then we have other sites such as
Oka Road, which is 99 units.
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We also were able to take credit for the recently
approved Kn olls development that was happening at the time
that we were developing or preparing the Housing Element,
so we actually got credit of 57 for approved units that the
Town had done.
So there are a variety of strategies that
ultimately came into our Housing Element at a variety of
densities.
DR. SPANO: “Project seems dense. Buildings seem
high. Why is there not park area or other public use space
that would reduce the number of units?”
JOEL PAULSON: I think we’ve answered this as
well. We’re still working with the 20 units per acre, and
there is publicly accessible open space that will be part
of the development. I would encourage folks to go online
and/or attend the Planning Commission meeting on July 12 th ,
and you can take a look and see what is proposed.
DR. SPANO: “Can the Town force the developer to
spread out the units across the property that is not part
of an application?”
ROBERT SCHULTZ: I think we’ve answered that. I
don’t like using the word “force.” The Council has the
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ability to approve, deny or modify any project that comes
in front of them. If an applicant doesn’t want to do that,
then they don’t have a project.
DR. SPANO: “Other than the numbers required by
right in the Housing Element, does anything else require
encouraging that maximums be reached or minimums be
reached, heights, setbacks, open space?” Does anything else
require encouraging that maximums be reached, minimums be
reached?
ROBERT SCHULTZ: No. But again, when we go
through the project, when you ask for a density bonus,
there are concessions and waivers that an applicant can ask
for, and again, State law says we have to allow those.
T hat’s the push back we’re going to look at when we’re
analyzing this with the density bonuses: What type of
waivers and concessions is the applicant looking for?
DR. SPANO: “Is it accurate to assume that part
of the motivation for such a large, high -density project is
at least partly to prevent any additional smaller sites
scattered all over the city?” So if you concentrated the
high -density, high height in one area, then it wouldn’t be
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scattered across the city, but it would be localized in one
area. Is that part of the motivation?
JOEL PAULSON: I don't know if that’s part of the
motivation, but that was definitely part of the discussions
as the Housing Element Advisory Board, and then ultimately
the Planning Commission and Council, struggled with should
the North 40 be used? Should we go back to the AHOZ
opportunity? Should we look at other sites? Ultimately the
decision was made to incorporate the 13.5 acres for up to
270 units at 20 dwelling units per acre in the Housing
Element, and that was the strategy that moved forward.
We’ve talked at length about options and
opportunities if that number was changed, then we would be
looking at a similar evaluation of going back through and
finding sites to make up for whatever density in units have
been lost.
LAUREL PREVETTI: I would just add that overall
the Town has a General Plan that identifies the appropriate
uses throughout our community, and we really want to make
sure that we put any new development in the right place, so
as there are other development applications pending or in
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the future will be applied for, we would encourage all of
you to be just as actively engaged as you are now.
We do have pending subdivision applications, for
example, that would increase housing in other sites that
are not even in our Housing Element. I know there is a lot
of attention right now on the North 40, but this isn’t the
only application that’s moving through the process.
We do have a Pending Planning P rojects portion of
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familiar with it. There’s a map -based approach, so you can
see what’s happening, a What’s Proposed in My Neighborhood,
and then the project p lanner’s name and contact is
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AUDIENCE MEMBER: (Inaudible).
LAUREL PREVETTI: The question is, “If we approve
North 40, does it prevent things like Laurel Mews in the
future?”
Really, all land use decisions are unique and
they’re considered on their own merits, determined by
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applicable codes, and guidelines. We have a lot of
properties here in town, and with the strong economy there
are a lot of property owners who are trying to make sure
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AUDIENCE MEMBER: (Inaudible).
LAUREL PREVETTI: Not necessarily. Again,
ultimately our deciding bodies, Planning Commission and
Council, make those decisions on their own merits.
DR. SPANO: “If additional commercial development
is allowed at this site or anywhere else in town, does that
trigger more State mandated housing?” Additional
commercial.
JOEL PAULSON: I’m not familiar with the
methodology and what goes into that. Maybe Ms. Prevetti can
offer.
LAUREL PREVETTI: No, i t’s essentially a separate
discussion. We have our housing need numbers that were
identified , and we’ve adequately planned for them, we’ve
identified sites. If there is new commercial development
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that happens, there is not a housing requirement that
follows.
DR. SPANO: I t hink we’ve answered this, but just
in case, “How are housing needs determined?”
LAUREL PREVETTI: Housing needs are determined in
a very complex way for purposes of our Housing Element.
There is a strict methodology that is outlined in State law
in terms o f who makes the population projections for the
State of California, and that’s the Department of Finance.
T hen they give the number for the nine county Bay Area
region to the Association of Bay Area Governments, and then
that regional agency sets forth a methodology to distribute
all of that new population and the equivalent in terms of
housing to all of our respective communities. So that’s a
very public process. The Town is able to participate and
comment on those numbers before we then do our Housing
Ele ments.
For this county, in the next cycle for housing
elements , we’re considering doing our own methodology with
our colleague cities within Santa Clara County so that we
have even more local control of the distribution of that
housing. That won’t happen until 2020, but again, that will
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be a whole other process, and we are looking for how we can
maintain the local control and have more of a voice,
instead of a regional agency telling us how much housing we
need to plan for.
DR. SPANO: “Do other developme nts in Los Gatos
have the same square footage, unit number, acre density?”
JOEL PAULSON: The short answer is there are
other projects that actually even exceed the density for
what is being proposed on the North 40. I think earlier I
had mentioned I would look to pull some of that information
and get that posted, so that folks have an idea of what
that looks like.
But there are other projects in town that have
more density. Now, with square footage and those things, we
would have to look at that. This probably is the biggest
combination the Specific Plan would allow, but you also
have to take into account a lot of other factors of when
some of these other projects may have been built, and what
size the properties are, so we’ll try to pull some of that
info rmation together and get some information posted on the
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DR. SPANO: “What is the current approved number
of housing units and commercial space square footage not
yet built out?” The number of housing units, commercial
square footage not yet built out.
JOEL PAULSON: We don’t have that data, but
that’s something we can try to pull together.
DR. SPANO: “You mentioned that Saratoga has lost
its appeal to reduce RHNA number, yet we don’t see orange
monster development story poles in Saratoga. Why ar e we
letting developers dictate what is best for RHNA needs?
Granny units, please.” So the question: “W hy are we letting
developer dictate what is best for RHNA needs?”
JOEL PAULSON: This process was done through the
Town, so this is the Town’s document. The Town took this
through the public process and we had a lot of
conversations, some of them very similar to the
conversations we’re having this evening, and ultimately the
decision was made to use the North 40 Specific Plan site as
one of the components to meeting and achieving our regional
housing needs for this Housing Element cycle.
DR. SPANO: “Any plan s for solar panels on roofs,
gre ywater systems built into the residential and commercial
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structures, rainwater capture systems?” Any plans for any
of those with North 40?
JOEL PAULSON: Again, that’s going to be part of
the Phase 1, so we will take a look at that information,
but there is green infrastructure that encourages it, if
not requires it.
Speaking to what Director Morley spoke about
before, C -3 requirements now require a lot more treatment
onsite, so typically some of those components get added in,
but we will specifically pull that information up.
LAUREL PREVETTI: And the Specific Plan does have
sustainability guidelines. There are specific guidelines in
Section 3.3.8 that promote a lot of the sustainability
issues that were raised in the question.
DR. SPANO: “You mentioned single -family home has
to follow FAR requirements, but multi-units do not, yet the
developer application is waiting to sell each unit as a
single unit. Why the discrepancy? Should the Town reduce
the intensity of the application to comply with other
single unit FAR requirements?”
JOEL PAULSON: Appreciate the question. The
difference is the distinction of attached units. They’re
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still single -family units that are being proposed, they’re
just attaching three or more, which for the Town makes that
a multi -family dwelling unit. For discussion purposes, you
have on e building that has three units in it, but they’re
all sold to three different property owners. T hat’s a
multi -family development, and based on current Town Code
those do not have FAR requirements.
DR. SPANO: “Did the Town impose requirements on
the construction phase? I can’t imagine huge construction
and materials trucks flowing from the site to Los Gatos
Boulevard for years.” So did the Town impose requirements
on the construction phase, staging and that kind of thing?
MATT MORLEY: That’s specific to the first phase
project , and that will come forward through the improvement
and the conditions with that project.
DR. SPANO: Okay, very good, and obviously
opportunity for public comment around that.
We are down to our last question card, and this
really is about sort of ethics and the Brown Act. “What are
the polic ies, ethics and standards regarding Staff and
Council interaction with developers and/or vendors? How is
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influence on Staff and Council?”
ROBERT SCHULTZ: We have specific policies that
address th is issue.
For the Planning Commission policy, they’re
allowed no contact. They’re allowed what we call incidental
contact. For any project they go out to, if they’re going
on someone’s property they’re able to at least say hello
and maybe get oriented to where the facts are. But our
Planning Commission is not allowed to have any of what is
called “ex parte communications ” with developers, with
citizens, with no one. It’s a very, very strict rule. I’ve
brought it back a couple times for Council and Planning
Commission to discuss, and both the Planning Commission and
the Council wanted to keep that rule intact.
For the Council, it’s different in that they are
allo wed that ex parte communication, and we specifically
even say the reasoning is that they’re elec ted officials,
they need to hear from the public, they need to hear from
you as to the issues that are coming forward, so they’re
allowe d to have that ex communication with you and with the
applicant.
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It does require though that before any hearing
where p roperty rights are involved that they do have to
disclose those ex parte communications, so when it comes in
front of Council, and even when it comes in front of
Planning Commission, we have the ex parte communications
and that’s why they’ll say they did a site visit and they
might have had incidental contact. But with Council they
have to state who they’ve met with and whether they gained
any other information that’s not in the public record,
because it’s very important from a due process and Brown
Act sta ndpoint that any information they receive outside
the hearing is brought into the hearing, so not only they
know that, but the rest of the Council knows that, so
everybody has the same information to make a decision.
DR. SPANO: Thank you. Okay, so no other
questions. We’ll move to the public comment period of our
meeting here, and this is the beige card. If you want to
speak, you’ll have three minutes, and just fill out one of
these cards and you can hand that to Christina. We’ll queue
up over here for pu blic comment, and I’m just going to hold
the microphone while you make your comments, and Shelly
will be keeping time over here. W e’re going to be pretty
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same amount of time.
AUDIENCE MEMBER: (Inaudible).
DR. SPANO: Okay, so the follow up is Staff
interaction and how that plays into the ethics and Brown
Act, et cetera. Thank you.
ROBERT SCHULTZ: Under the Brown Act Staff isn’t
even a part of that. It applies to elected officials or
appointed of ficials, so we don’t even have any requirement
of the Brown Act.
For myself, I have an open door. Any time any
member of the public wants to come in and talk to me about
the Specific Plan, I’d be happy to do that. We also have
meetings with developers to make sure we understand their
proposal and how it does or does not apply, what our
fee lings are. They always want to know whether we’re going
to be supporting this project or not supporting it, and we
have to take them through our analysis, just as we would
for any member of the public, so we don’t include
developers and not include the public, or include the
public and not include the developers. You’re open to speak
with any of us at any time.
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DR. SPANO: Thank you. Okay, public comment,
verbal communication. Chris Chapman, please come over here.
Roy Moses. We’ll queue th ree at a time. And Bruce McCombs,
please. We’ll start with Chris, and then go to Roy, and to
Bruce.
CHRIS CHAPMAN: My name is Chris Chapman; I live
at 201 Mistletoe Road in Los Gatos.
M y concern is that I’m astonished that this plan
is going to have two or more school districts service the
development. I find that now is the time to address a
consolidation of schools. You’re approving a development to
where kids on one side of the development will go to one
school, and kids on another street will go to another
school.
I look at the School District members here, I
look at the Town Council, and I heard a comment from the
Town Council that said, “We have nothing to do with
boundaries.” I, a s a resident of Los Gatos, look to the
Town Council, the Planning Commission and the School
Districts to work together to allow for one school district
to service these 320 house. I finding it kind of amazing
that we’re talking about a bicycle path going a round this
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development for our kids to ride their bikes on, but oh
well, Johnny’s going to go to Cambrian and so -and -so is
going to another district.
I implore everybody here to work together with
the State to make it a consolidation of one school district
serving this development. Thank you.
DR. SPANO: Thank you, Chris. We have Roy up next
if Roy Moses is here, and then Bruce will be after Roy.
ROY MOSES: Thank you very much, and I want to
thank all the Council members and the Planning
Commissioners for getting this meeting together.
You’ve got a big job to do. This is our town. I
don't know how many of you that work for the Town are
actually citizens of Los Gatos, but I’ve lived here for 48
years. It definitely has changed. I don’t like the change,
but change is inevitable; I mean we all know that.
I’m in a second career; my kids will probably
have three careers. When you’re young you try to make some
plans , and you have a family and you plan for your finances
and you look ahead. The kids got to go to school. They ’re
going to get out of school and hopefully they’re not going
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to be dependent upon their parents, they’re going to be out
living on their own, which ours are, and all these things.
So planning forward and looking ahead is very,
very important, and sometimes cities kind of just look
right here, because they’re got obligations to the State,
and they have obligations to this person and this
particular development, whatever. You have to look beyond
and look to the future. You know what this communi ty is
going to look like in 25 years? Just imagine. I’m going to
be dead, and my kids have to live here, and a lot of other
people don’t want to live here.
Low-income people really cannot live in this
town. You all know that. The State is crazy. Send Jerry
Brown a copy of this meeting tonight, this video. Let him
listen to the citizens of this small town. I’m sure the big
cities are talking about the same thing. We have to start
getting to the State and say you’re full of bullshit. This
has been going on for years. You cannot continue this. I
mean this Town cannot hold more people. What are you going
to do? Stack them on top of one another? You talk about
road rage? There’s going to be a lot of things happening as
a result of this.
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You have a tremendous responsibility. You
inherited most of this. All you people that are sitting
here, the Commissioners, you inherited this, but we have to
start mitigating some of these things.
So I ask you, passionately ask you, there are
ways of mitigating the density, all the other things that
are going to impact traffic and local services, all the
things that we talked about here tonight. You’ve given us a
lot of good answers in all the things; you’ve done a lot of
homework and all these other things. It still doesn’t stop
the fact that we have a problem, and every other community
is going to have a problem. I think I’ve got 30 seconds.
DR. SPANO: Continue on.
ROY MOSES: I’ve been here before. So I want to
thank you all, but I’m just telling you, we’re going to be
here, t he citizens are going to be here. It ’s unfortunate
it’s going to be in the summertime again. All these big
issues come up in the summertime. There are 40% of the
people that are not here tonight, because they’re gone with
their kids enjoying someplace else . But they’re going to
come back and find out about all these things. We’re going
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to be here, we’re going to be guiding you, so please listen
to us. Thank you very much.
DR. SPANO: Thank you. So Bruce is up next, and
then after Bruce, it will be John Hechinger. Bruce. Very
good, okay. Thank you. Thank you, Bruce. So, John. Is John
here? No, don’t see John. How about Ted Halunen? Is Ted
here? Nope. Joan. Is Joan Langhoff here? No, she’s not here
either. That’s all the comment cards. Come on over.
ROD TEAGUE: I have a question.
DR. SPANO: We won’t be responding to the verbal
comments, but please, ask the question. That’s okay.
ROD TEAGUE: My question is regarding the density
zoning. I had a conversation with a senior planner at ABAG,
Gillian Adams, and I guess what I’m worried about is that
the RHNA deductions are really worth their weight in gold.
Of course we want to be sure that we’re getting every
single one of them, and if we based our plan on receiving
all 270 units do we have any assurance from Housing and
Community Development that we’re going to get credit for
them? Because I see in the Housing Element it shows that
we’re knocking most of these RHNA deductions out by Very
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Low Income, Low Income and Moderate Income, and we know
that most of those units are just market rate.
Is there any chance that down the line when we
submit to HCD for our credit that they look at this and
they say, “W e don’t base it on density, we b ase it on
income and qualifying”? Only 50 of these units actually
qualify for Low Income, so is it sort of futile and
pointless, or do we have a guarantee from HCD that we’re
going to get credit for all 270 units ?
It would be a crime, because I don't know if
people really understand the implications of how much
housing he have to add t o our pool of housing here, and if
they came back and said, “N o, we’re only giving you a 50 -
unit credit ,” I mean we have to add somewhere in the range
of 4,000 -5,000 new homes if we count on the developer to
sponsor Low -Income housing. Did you get that? Thank you.
DR. SPANO: Thank you. Excellent. As we move
toward o ur wrapping up the meeting, again, on the back of
your agenda you have the loose timeline and schedule for
the upcoming Planning Commission and Town Council meetings.
I’m hearing July 12 th is th e Planning Commission, is that
correct? So that’s been confirmed. July 12 th will be the
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next opportunity for you to provide public input around the
North 40, but then obviously they’ll be taking up the
developer application and you’ll be able to comment on that
as well.
Laurel, do you want to wrap us up for the rest of
the meeting?
LAUREL PREVETTI: I just wanted, again, to really
say thank you to all of you for participating. Thank you to
the Staff who answered all these questions . Thank you to
our Town C ouncil, Planning Commission and School Board
members and superintendents who joined us. Thank you to the
community. I know there are a lot of people who are
probably watching on either television or on the Internet,
or will be watching in the future. We ar e doing verbatim
minutes, so all of this transcript will be recorded, and we
will continue to add to the FAQ, as mentioned.
So again, thank you all very, very much. We look
forward to your ongoing participation in the Planning
Commission and upcoming Town Council meetings, as noted,
and then as well as with other issues happening in our
Town, so thank you all very much and we’ll see you soon.
Thank you.