Attachment 5 - CommunicationsFrom: Mark Weisler [ mailto :mark(cbweisler- saratoga- ca.us-1
Sent: Monday, March 02, 2015 9:18 PM
To: Council
Subject: Resurfacing of Streets in the Broadway and Almond Grove Districts
Dear Town Council,
I want to share with you some thoughts about the resurfacing of streets in the Broadway and Almond Grove
districts.
Street safety, street narrowing.
It's been said that we have a goal of protecting the trees in the Almond Grove and that is part of the reason for
narrowing the streets making the planter areas larger. But what about the competing goal of safety for
pedestrians and vehicles? Making the streets narrower will compromise human safety for tree safety. What
process exists or has been used to weigh these competing goals? I'd like to see a poll of the property owners
as part of a process to evaluate these competing goals.
Connecting houses for fire sprinkler supply.
When the Town proceeds with the resurfacing, at some time, one way or another, and the streets are dug up, I
would like to see the homeowners have the opportunity to connect for fire sprinkler water. It makes sense to
me to allow this while the streets are open rather than to come back later when a house is remodeled or built
and then tear up the street to make a connection. I believe this should be facilitated for financial and safety
considerations.
Broadway and Almond Grove are Quite Different Neighborhoods.
The Broadway and Almond Grove districts are quite different neighborhoods. Broadway is almost entirely
residential from what I can tell, and it is sufficient distance from downtown that relatively few shoppers and
diners park there. The Almond Grove, however, contains a school, a church, many residences, is used for
transient parking for people going downtown, and serves some "cut- through" traffic getting from Highway 9 to
Highway 17 southbound. Thus, the neighborhoods are different and the resurfacing projects should be
considered separately for each neighborhood. The voting concerning asphalt versus concrete, should, in my
opinion be broken down between Broadway and the Almond Grove allowing, perhaps, concrete for one and
asphalt for the other.
Fairness.
It does not seem fair to resurface Broadway, Bachman, and Tait but not have immediate plans or funds to
resurface neighboring streets. It seems it will make neighboring streets wait indefinitely for resurfacing while
they are in bad condition right now and that does not seem fair to me.
Funding.
I'm wondering how it can be that streets of approximately 90 years of age do not have a secured fund for
resurfacing. Seems to me we should have a sinking fund for the systematic resurfacing of our streets.
request...
That the plans for resurfacing Broadway and the Almond Grove be put on hold until the issue of narrowing the
streets be put to a poll of the property owners to better gauge trade -offs between the safety of trees and the
safety of people. The other issues should also be reviewed including the poll regarding asphalt versus
concrete.
Mark Weisler 208 Tait Avenue, Los Gatos, CA
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ALMOND GROVE
STREETS PROJECT
DESIGN
DIRECTION
"Someone's Been Driving This Bus
Without A License..... We Need to
Get Them Off Our Streets.... And
Put Someone Else Behind the
Wheel...."
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Save Our 'Hood I.
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My objective in this communication is to provide
documented information as well as my
feedback /opinions concerning matters referred to in
the Staff Report to Town Council's Agenda Item 14 for
March 3,15.
I highlight excerpts from that Staff Report at the
beginning of each "Chapter" — outlined in RED —and
attempt to follow the order as presented in that
Report.
But FIRST.......
I acknowledge that almost all Town Staff members
that have been in a position to influence this fiasco
are no longer (or won't be soon) with the Town. We
have a dedicated Council that deserves complete
and accurate data /information necessary to make
educated and valued decisions.
Town Residents demand it!
I offer the following as an attempt to provide you,
our elected officials, with some of that
data /information. I also offer some ideas for you to
consider that I hope will contribute to a successful
outcome — not just for every Almond Grove
Resident or the Almond Grove neighborhood.......
But for ALL Town Residents — Current and
Future!
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The Almond Grove Street Rehabilitation project will renew the streets,. curb and gutter, and
sidewalks in the Almond Grove and Broadway historic districts. This project began with the
rehabilitation of asphalt streets in the area in 2013 with a tubber cape seal project (see Attachment
I for a list of streets completed previously and concrete streets that are still pending).
Let's "renew" our memory of how "this Project" REALLY "began ":
• Nov 25 `91- Adoption of Redevelopment Plan (Town
Ord 1882) - Attachment 4 (Proposed Public
Improvements):
• Provision for Infrastructure Improvements —
• A. Street Reconstruction Program
• Almond Grove neighborhood
• CIP Budget 2007 —Pilot Project to "Develop a design for the
... Almond Grove District ... to include safe and functional
streets and sidewalks"
• CIP Budget 2008, 2009 - Same
• CIP Budget 2010 — Scope expanded to include Broadway,
Glen Ridge, Bayview and all the asphalt streets west of AG
District; also discussion of "back of sidewalk to back of
sidewalk" approach
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A. Almond Grove Historic District (Glen Ridge and
Bayview added to scope) — 9 Concrete Streets
B.
Broadway
Historic
District —1
Concrete Street
C.
Asphalt Streets —
No, they are
NOT in the Almond
Grove! Yes, they were in really bad shape! I believe they
were added to "this Project" because the Town's average
Pavement Condition Index ( "PCI ") for residential streets
was only 64 vs the Town goal of 70 -72; so low that it was
pulling down Town -wide PCIs to an unacceptable level
(after taking out the few Town arterial streets with PCIs of
85 +). If asked by any Town Residents why all these streets
were being done — they could "use the ruse" that they
were "in the Almond Grove Project"
More on this in a moment.... But first.....
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CIP Budget 2011, 2012 — Same — #1 under Strategic Goals for
Infrastructure..... But the Town had other places to spend our
money.... Library, Sports Park, Pageant Grounds, Police
Headquarters........
CIP Budget 2013 — "Due to complexity of Project" a Study
Session was held with Council on Dec 17 '12 in prep for
prioritizing remaining CIPs at Jan 22'13 meeting. (No Public
Notice to AG Residents!) At that time — NO decisions had been
made - Because Staff had done Nothing to analyze and present
options to our Council
Are you ready for the punch -line? On Jan 22 '13, Staff had "this
Project" as #7 (no further consideration until FY'15 '16)!
Council unanimously voted it #1 over ALL CIPs. I don't think
Town Staff wanted to do "this Project "; no one took ownership!
There were no "Commissions ", No "Friends of Streets ", No
"Parent Groups" to help do the work, or point the finger at, if
anything went wrong. Only silly, old Residents.........
So, here we are — Mar 3..2015!
Staff "Won" — The Town "Lost "!
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But First....... Lets' Revisit Those Asphalt Streets
• The 2011 Nichol's Report estimated $6.8 mil for recommended
treatments by street (including slurry /scrub seals, mill and fills, RHMA
overlays, partial /full reconstruction) and repairs to non - pavement
features.
• All streets were "completed "by EFY 2013 — using cape /slurry seals
ONLY for ONLY $900k — almost .5mil SgFt Pavement Area ( >3miles) @
$16 /SgYd. I'm sure that REALLY helped our avg PCIs, but intuitively,
something just doesn't "add up ".
• Some of my Big ?s: How long will this short -term solution last on the
worst streets — esp the 3 high -use "old composite streets" (Penn, GR,
Hern)? Why wasn't this treatment used on Royce — Does anyone
remember what happened with that street? Who /what do you trust?
What was trade -off of up -front costs vs on -going maintenance — I think
the exact opposite of Staff stance reg concrete vs asphalt!
What's Done is Done...... But We Better Really Know
What We're Doing Next!!!!!!!
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Did You Know.....
That $5.4 mil of the total $13 mil
Is to fully reconstruct ALL non -
pavement features — whether they
need it or not ? ? ? ? ??
• This is, perhaps, the most outrageous element cost -wise of this
whole project! There absolutely are sections of sidewalks, curbs
and gutters that need to be replaced — but this needs to be
considered on a block -by -block basis — not 100W
• The Nichol's 2011 report even refers to the apprx ':..150' (on most
streets) near Santa Cruz which had bricks inlaid with the
concrete...." and "curb ramps at SC had bricks inlaid along
perimeter..." Are you ready for the punch -line? The "...bricks
would need to be preserved during replacement of these curb
ramps..... "III This work was just done when we reconstructed Santa
Cruz! How could Town Staff accept such a report? (It was given to
our Council as a Desk Item <1 hr before the meeting!)
• How can Town Staff continue in this vein without challenging such
nonsense? Current design still calls for 100% replacement! Or does
it? It did less than 2 months ago (and six days ago when I asked to
see them again at PPW. Are any design /specs factors included in
the Staff Report to our Council?
Please, Council, tighten those purse- strings until we know
what's really NEEDED!
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A. Broadway — I located ONE Failed Curb (near intersection
of W. Main) and one 8" broken curb by the Church where
Permit Parking sign had been installed — good job, PPW!
Otherwise the curbs and sidewalks are probably the best
in Town! A little grinding here and there — and you're
done!
B. Bachman /AG — Many contiguous sidewalk sections and
curbs are fine, others are severely in need of replacement
- primarily due to tree /root invasion, errant commercial
trucks, and PPW's sloppiness.
Also, think about how much streetscape has been
redone by homeowners when they've remodeled (as
required by the Town)! It doesn't appear that anyone is
using common sense — let alone being cost - conscious!
Wait until we chat about widening our planting strips
and /or unnecessarily narrowing our streets!
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y neighborhood."
First time I have found this language AND 'decision" is in the RFP for street design work;
pre - proposal meeting with consultants held BEFORE the first Resident Outreach meeting!
• "Discuss ": "take into account different ideas and opinions" — there was no
discussion at the Dec 16'13 Council meeting — only a Staff Report dated
Dec 2'13 requesting $300k for design work on the 3 streets. It referred to
1) a non - existent value engineering analysis in Spring '13, and 2) the Oct
17 '13 Outreach meeting indicating "consensus was reached on phased
project approach ". Hello! There was no "discussion " — it was "a done deal"
— just like "concrete vs asphalt ". Also: "By the way, we only have the $$
for these 3 streets — the rest of you will have to wait another 5 -10+
year..... "!!! And NOW there's only enough $$ for 2 T: streets ? ? ?? Let them
be Bachman and Tait!
• "Most Heavily Used" - Bachman; Hmmm.... Massol or Tait ?; Broadway
— No Way! PPW has done no traffic studies as requested at that Oct 17'13
meeting!
• "Worse Condition " — Hard to say as 2011 Report says ALL have to go
down to dirt (we'll chat about that later) - Definitely Bachman, Glen
Ridge, Tait, Wilder, Nicholson, Bayview; Broadway — No Way (except for
about 150' near SC... and maybe by W Main)!
• "Access Backbone " — Massol — definitely (to both Districts); Bachman,
Tait (mainly to AG District); Broadway (to Broadway)
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Almond Grove -The "Access
Backbone" to Hwy 9, Gateway,
Downtown, Old Town for
Umpteen
Vehicles /Cyclers /Walkers —
including Broadway Residents
Almond Grove
Tens of
Thousands /Year
Pedestrians /Cyclists
(Residents and
Visitors) To Almond
Grove — Breathe Life
and Vitality Into
Their Soles..... !
The "Gateway" to
Historic Downtown( *)
( *) —NO To Teslal
• Internationally - Acclaimed Cat Hill Bicycle Race
• St. Mary's Church and (Now Much Larger) School; Fall
Country Fair /Carnival (Big Heavy Trucks!)
• Halloween
• Staging of Christmas Parade ; Holiday Carriage Rides
• Downtown Parking
Broadway
• Downtown Parking at SC End
• Best -kept Town Secret
Remember 1991 thru 2009 — "Project to Develop a
design for the ... Almond Grove District ... to include safe
and functional streets and sidewalks"
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short, straight street!
However, decisions Made
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Happens to the Whole
Neighborhood!
• Hey, Residents, do you remember the guy at the May 20 '14
meeting who said "What's the Cat Hill Race" and "I haven't been
on these streets "? Are you ready for the punch -line? Yep — SAME
guy that presented the 2011 Report to Council!
• I don't know anything about Nichols Consulting — I understand they
have a very good reputation in the industry. I also understand the
management steers consultants... been there, done that. But I
think there is a risk of conflict here — real or perceived — it is still a
risk. Can they contradict earlier findings without "looking bad "? Do
they have the Town's best interest in mind as it relates to cost?
Especially, if they perceive they will be hired to manage /administer
construction (typically priced at a %age of costs) — what is their
incentive to economize?
Now let's talk about design......
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find it ironic that the first night I spoke
to Council about "this Project" was Oct
7 `14. The focus of my 3 mins was:
Community
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That same evening was PPW's first presentation on
"Complete Streets" — I think a transfer is needed from
that "Fund Bucket" back into the "AG Fund Bucket"
So, what were we so upset about ? ? ??
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I.
Every
Intersection
7Ee Street would be narrowed would be
— the "National Average "! CE 22'_23'
ng Strips Widened to S' -6' clearance!
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Town Staff keeps reiterating the ordinance regarding
Historical Preservation:
"Review by HPC is required for any changes to:
• Roads are concrete and should be repaired
to maintain appearance as of the year
1976/1992"
The ordinance does not only relate to material — it says
appearance!!! Our wide streets are how they did things "back
then" — how could anyone think this was okey?
There is a fabulous website that someone (NOT ME) put together
to rally the neighborhood — Check it out - You'll learn a lot!
Thank Goodness the Town /PPW finally cried "UNCLE!"
So, what is the design now ? ??
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• Every Street to be narrowed to max 30
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• Planting Strips Still Widened to 4'; on some streets that
means only an additional 6"M
A. Remember — the plan is to
replace
all sidewalks
and
curbs whether they need it
or not!
That affects
all
streetscapes. This is on Bachman. While they're at it
— they're going to widen the planting strip by 6" (!) to
"achieve the Town standard 4- width "! Excuse me —
WHAT Town standard are they talking about ? ? ?? I
searched through the proposed revisions to the code
about public trees (tomorrow night's topic) and must
have missed it. One block on Tait will lose 4' street
width!
B. And seriously, folks, this homeowner will lose their
investment, and care over the years, in this Town
street strip for 6 " ? ?? If it wasn't so digustingly stupid,
I could think of a good joke right now —
But this is NOT funny!
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Phase I: Reconstruct sidewalk driveways, curb & gutter on one side of the street !,
Phase II: Reconstruct half the road width to road centerline
Phase III: Reconstruct sidewalk driveways, curb & gutter on other side of the street
Phase IV: Reconstruct half the road width to road centerline
• Staging makes obvious sense in
some areas — but is it necessary
on streets /blocks with alleys ??
• If asphalt, what are other
possibilities considering one -day
curing times, etc?
• Time is "money" to the Residents
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Staff is cu-rently propn rn
itrtg two opt"is. either a recotrwwa to concrete as it cants or 01
overlay of the c'%rding concrete erects u.ith asphalt. A brief summary of the pros and stain of
are two main ways to &M color to asphalt ()as is with a ccrtsentitKnis material that is appiiW ib
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To me, it all comes down to Two Main Questions:
• Color (Aesthetics - Light, cooler)
• Cost (Up -Front vs Long -term Maintenance)
You can watch my 020315 Council Presentation reg Color and Aesthetics.
I've read about asphalt surface treatments — can be economical, easy to
place, effective; double- surface treatments (if properly designed and
constructed) give 3 times the service life for 1 % the cost; second layer of
aggregate stone is smaller than in first layer — so provides more compacted
"color" and minimizes loss of particles from graded cover aggregate.
I'm simply not happy with ANY "trust me "s at this stage — have an asphalt
dude bring samples (like they do at Planning Commission meetings) with
current -day prices. Also, there is more to cost than "a bag of material" —
there is time — that gets addressed in the next "chapter ".
Also, could PPW provide data on when Edelen was last done — and the
invoices to support the product and cost? You must think I'm from Missouri!
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I must have been at some other meeting on Jan 28'15. Or maybe I just
don't know what "presented the information on the revised conceptual
design" means. PPW essentially summarized a 1'/: memo. Topics included:
• Summarized funding and street selection
• How they were moving forward with "this Project" until "a number of
residents expressed a desire for asphalt" — so they had to hold Outreach
Meetings #3 and #4 (repeat of #3)
• Mailed an informational ballot regarding material choice — said (like told
to you) "60% of the residents favored concrete, and 40% of the residents
favored asphalt ".
• Outlined pros and cons (like has been done with you)
• Said this matter would be the Mar 3 '15 Council agenda and they would
provide you with both options — which they have done( ?).
• Matter of clarification #1— when asked what
the response rate of residents was, PPW said
"just over 50% responded"". So, that is rather
inconclusive — that math wouldn't get you a
speed bump installed on your street!
• Matter of clarification #2 — I do not recall a
recommendation for "this Project" to "move
forward" — but the HPC recommendation
concerning alternative material was as is
stated to you.
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i This altemative is in drect contradiction to the 2011 Report -as well as
everything 1 heard from listening to every video (over and over again) about
these streets on our Town website since 20081 Is this the confidence we
have in Nichol's opinions /recommendations - If so, how good are we
Supposed to be feel about their design specifications? Or is it that we are
choosing to disregard professional advice -that we asked for?
I have read other sources as well - based on the condition of the majority of
our Concrete Slabs (Poor to Very Poor) with distresses including patching,
spalling, longitudinal and traverse cracking, corner breaks, map cracking and
downright "potholes" - this doesn't seem to be a wise choice.
I have excerpted text from the 2011 Report below.
Do our Town PPW Staff understand that they will be /are reporting to a
new Town Manager ? Can they offer this alternative with a clear
conscience? Am I missing something here? Am I on Candid Camera?
"This ... involves adding a conventional hot mix asphalt concrete
or AC layer to an existing ... (concrete) pavement. It is used to
correct or improve the structural capacity or functional
requirements such as skid resistance and ride quality. The use of
an AC overlay is usually more economic when the existing
pavement is still in good to fair condition. An overlay may be
combined with other techniques such as cold milling, cold
recycling, hot recycling, and heater scarification. The thickness of
the new surface will be dependent on the type, severity and
extent of the pavement surface distresses, the ride quality and
the required structural improvement necessary to accommodate
the design traffic.
The advantages are many — see Staff Report. However, the
disadvantages are that it will potentially increase the pavement
grade, and reflection cracking is expected.
Therefore, this alternative is applicable for AC pavements but not
PCC (Concrete)."
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Maintenance Cost
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You have been ven this s ' e; we also saw it at Oct
'14 Outreach eting Opeated in Nov'14) — I had
problems with it the ..... And now.....
$ 1,230,000
$ 970,000
So, 27% "savings" by using overlay; but look at the
( * *) comment - the $750k includes "concrete
removal & off - haul" — but "overlay" is to be "laid "
on top of existing concrete — so even though
everything says this is not a "good alternative"
because of street condition, savings are how much
more? OH... but, WAIT! Let's look a little further.
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This slide was also presented at the Oct '14 Outreach
Meeting (but not to you ?). It provides costs /sy for each
option. But as they always say — "the devil's in the details"
Look at the ( *) and ( * *) .....
• * * - Asphalt Overlay — This $ /sy does not consider
replacement of shattered slabs — so, are they acknowledging you
will have to pour some concrete in order to "overlay" asphalt ? ??
• * - Reconstruction with Concrete and Asphalt —These
$ /sy have demolition /removal embedded in them — based on
"absolute difference" — you would have (Are you ready for the
punch line ?) the same 27% they presented on the earlier page
with overlay! I'm no engineer, or contractor, but this just doesn't
make sense to me.
Let's see what else we can do with what we have ......
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'11 Report Data:
Reconstruction
Using'14 PPW $ /SY:
Reconstruction
$ Savings in '14 vs'11 Est:
%Savings in '14 vs '11 Est:
Asphalt vs Concrete
$ Savings Using'14 PPW:
%Savings Using'14 PPW:
(') —of course, these
savings would be reduced by
replacement of shattered
slabs
$6,267,132 $5,349,984 N/A
$5,496,070 $4,330,214 $2,498,200
$771,062 $1,019,770
12% 19%
$1,165,856 $2,997,870(')
21% 55 %(')
I have reached my tolerance level with trying to better
understand the fiscal issues of "this Project" with the limited
data /information available.(*) BTW -Isn't this Town Staff's
job?
Council:
Forget About the Purse - strings!
Please Hide The Whole Purse — Nice
and Safe!
Let's Figure Out what To Do Next.....
( *) — Are we talking about Hillbrook AGAIN ? ??
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I actually thought up the following and discussed with PPW on
Oct 1'14 —got no enthusiasm —so started all my Public Records Requests
and "Council Chats ".
It seems Pretty Darn Simple To Me — But I Know Things Aren't Always As
Simple As They Seem....
Maybe it will give you some ideas — Maybe Not.....
Number One: Someone on the Council MUST Take Ownership of
"this Project "! I know everyone( *) is involved in so many efforts.
Ms. Specter has the most background —there would be virtually no
start-up time! But, that's just an idea!
L I *)— Mr. Rennie must be recused
Number Two: The Council Member Must be Supported By one
Other "Independent Town Representative" —
Mr. O'Donnell comes to mind — a "Double Blessing" — Represents
HPC and Would get First -Hand Knowledge reg "Good" and "Bad"
Trees for the Planning Commission!
Number Three: One person from each major street - as
an advocate for their street's Residents but unbiased as to the
"Greater Good" For "this Project" - 8 ( * *) Residents
( * *) Nicholson and Bean have very few Households
not abutting other major streets — So we'll have their backs!
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Number Four: Our New Interim Town Manager, Town Engineer
and Arborist complete the Team! A total of a "Lucky 13" Folks
Dedicated to Get "this Project" Done — and Done Right!
Now We're Ready For A
Historic Walking /Biking Tour
2.5 Miles of Strolling Through Our Scenic
Downtown Historic Districts
Nice Wide Streets (No Narrowing) Like Our
Forefathers Intended Them to Be!
1 ( *) I'm opting for one of the Town's Three - wheelers
As we Stroll, We Will Take Inventory
"Consensus On the Spot"
Ratings Block By Block
• Condition of Street
• Condition of Sidewalks, Curbs, Gutters
• "Marking" of "Inappropriate" Trees
• Discussion of competing values, etc.
We will announce when we will do the
"Stroll" — neighbors can meet us at their
gates and give us their input (and maybe
homemade cookies or brownies)!
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Our Dedicated Council Member,
Commissioner and New Interim
Town Manager Will Steer the Bus
On The Next Route!
Overall Goal: Celebrate the First
Street Being Completed On the
25th Anniversary of Ord 1882 —
Summer of 2016!
Thanks for Listening!
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Ange!ia M. Doerner - Save Our'Hood! In loving memory of my dear furry comrade — Luvme 0
RECEIVED
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MAR 0 3 2015
Mayor Jensen and Town Council members MAYOR &TOWN COUNCIL
Subject March 3rd agenda Item 14: Almond Grove streets
Comment
I am in favor of retaining the concrete pavement of Almond Grove streets. However I
support the staff recommendation to prepare bid documents for concrete and asphalt
pavement options. The bid documents will help resolve the controversy raised by some
neighbors who believe the reduced unit cost of asphalt will allow the $3,700,000 repair
budget to be spread more evenly to additional streets and sidewalks beyond Bachman,
Broadway, and Tait.
As evidenced by the "Example Bachman Costs" attachment attached to your staff
report, the comparison of "Reconstruction Concrete" and 'Thick Overlay" options is an
apples and oranges comparison since grading, base rock, and concrete removal costs
are not included in the Thick Overlay option. The `Thick Overlay" will cover the old
concrete surface which may result in cracking as the old concrete road base shifts. The
bid should include potential costs associated with shoring up sections of the roadbed.
An additional option for consideration: "Repair existing concrete"
Consider a "non build" option which reflects the wording contained in the Almond Grove
and Broadway Historic District zoning ordinances.
Almond Grove wording.
Roads are concrete and should be repaired to maintain appearance as of the
year 1976. (emphasis added)
Broadway wording
Roads are concrete and should be repaired to maintain appearance as of the
year 1992. (emphasis added)
This option would include new sidewalks and curbs and gutters but would retain the
existing concrete roadbed. Highly fragmented sections of concrete and occasional road
depressions would be repaired. This option is similar to the Thick Overlay in terms of
construction but minus the cost of the asphalt.
I mentioned this option to a few residents who thought the idea has merit. The patched
street reflects the historic character of the neighborhood. Since the the 'repair" option
retains the patchwork pattern of the streets, additional concrete trenching to
accommodate new utility work would be far less noticeable.
Thank you for your time.
Bob Cowan
222 Tait Ave