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Attachment 16 - April 27, 2022 Planning Commission Verbatim MinutesLOS GATOS PLANNING COMMISSION 4/27/2022 Item #4, Draft 2040 General Plan and Final Environmental Impact Report 1 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 A P P E A R A N C E S: Los Gatos Planning Commissioners: Melanie Hanssen, Chair Jeffrey Barnett, Vice Chair Kylie Clark Kathryn Janoff Steve Raspe Emily Thomas Town Manager: Laurel Prevetti Community Development Director: Joel Paulson Town Attorney: Robert Schultz Transcribed by: Vicki L. Blandin (619) 541-3405 ATTACHMENT 16 LOS GATOS PLANNING COMMISSION 4/27/2022 Item #4, Draft 2040 General Plan and Final Environmental Impact Report 2 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 P R O C E E D I N G S: CHAIR HANSSEN: The last item on the agenda is the continuation of the discussion of the Draft 2040 General Plan as well as the Final EIR that goes along with it. Staff did an amended agenda. The Planning Commission met on Monday of this week to continue its discussion that started in our April 13th meeting, and during the meeting on Monday, as noted in the Staff Report, we did finish several of the elements and got through most of the comments on the Land Use Element, but did not finish our recommendation on the Land Use Element. In addition we will be discussing the Community Design Element, and then we’ll be discussing the Final EIR, and the goal is for the Planning Commission to make a recommendation regarding the overall Draft General Plan as well as the Final EIR and whether it should be certified or not. That being the case, I will ask Staff if you wanted to make a quick Staff Report covering anything before we start the discussion? LOS GATOS PLANNING COMMISSION 4/27/2022 Item #4, Draft 2040 General Plan and Final Environmental Impact Report 3 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 JENNIFER ARMER: Thank you, Chair. Good evening, Commissioners. You actually did cover most of the points that I was going to go over to start us off this evening. Just making sure that everybody who is watching is aware that there are materials on the Draft 2040 General Plan and Final Environmental Impact Report available in the Planning Commission packets for the April 13th meeting, the April 25th special meeting, and then for tonight’s meeting. The discussion so far has been focused on going step-by-step through the summary of potential comments and potential changes proposed by the public and other agencies and Staff, all included in Exhibit 7, and that’s from the Staff Report from April 13th. As previously stated, we have made it through most of the chapters, most of the elements of the General Plan, and at the end of the last meeting on Monday we got through a discussion of the Land Use Element. The discussion of the Land Use Element did go through all of the ideas summarized in Exhibit 7 as well as some other ideas by the Commissioners, though no specific motion was made, because we didn’t get to the end of that discussion. Staff’s notes include general support from the Commission for items 21, 33, and 34, but we expect a motion giving specific direction would occur after the conclusion LOS GATOS PLANNING COMMISSION 4/27/2022 Item #4, Draft 2040 General Plan and Final Environmental Impact Report 4 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 of the discussion of the housing numbers, which is what we will be focusing on next. Once that discussion of the Land Use Element is complete, then as the Chair mentioned, we would move on to the Community Design Element and then on to the Final EIR. I’m available to provide additional information on the Final EIR when we do get to that section, since that discussion is slightly different than discussing the Draft 2040 General Plan. There was a Desk Item today with some additional Commissioner comments, but this concludes Staff’s presentation and I’d be happy to answer any questions. CHAIR HANSSEN: Thank you very much, Ms. Armer. Do any Commissioners have questions for Ms. Armer? I don’t see any. As a reminder to members of the public, we did take all of the verbal comments relative to the Planning Commission’s consideration of the 2040 General Plan and Final EIR during our April 13th meeting, so we will not be doing public comments during this portion of the meeting, however, we have received hundreds of comments over the last year since the General Plan Update Advisory Committee ceased meeting and completed the Draft General Plan, and we continue to receive a number of written comments and LOS GATOS PLANNING COMMISSION 4/27/2022 Item #4, Draft 2040 General Plan and Final Environmental Impact Report 5 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 received quite a few verbal comments as well during our April 13th meeting, so all of those comments that you have made have been reviewed and considered by the Commission as we discussed the General Plan, and we do incredibly appreciate all of the public input that we’ve received on the Draft General Plan. With that in mind, we will turn our discussion to, as Ms. Armer and I alluded to, where we were in the Land Use Element. The very last thing that we did in our meeting on Monday, which was a special meeting, is we talked about Exhibit 7 is something that Staff did for us and that was part of the April 13th Staff Report, and it is a summary of all of the comments that have been received since the Draft General Plan was received, and they did categorize them by element, and while we did go through all of the comments we did not complete the discussion of what the build number would be in the recommendation that was going to go to Town Council. What we did do is we took a poll of the Commissioners in terms of what their feelings were on the possibility of reductions to the build number that were listed in item 20. LOS GATOS PLANNING COMMISSION 4/27/2022 Item #4, Draft 2040 General Plan and Final Environmental Impact Report 6 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 In the comments were no increase in housing units and housing levels whatsoever, which is not recommended, because that would be in violation of state law. The second one is reducing the number of new housing units to a lower, less ambitious target than the 3,738 number that was put into the build table of the Draft General Plan. Item C is reducing the number of new housing units to 1,993, which is not recommended by Staff, because that is the actual number for the RHNA for the plan and it doesn’t incorporate anything that is naturally going to happen that the Town has no control over, such as growth of ADUs and projects that are already in the pipeline, and also that we are required to do a buffer by HCD. Then item D is reducing the number of new housing units to 1,993 plus a 15-20% buffer, and of course while we can look at doing that, we also have to remember that there will be housing units built outside of the timeline of 2031 when the completion of the next Housing Element is done. I added an additional item, which was item E, which was to leave the number and the densities in the Land Use section as they were and as are listed currently in the Draft General Plan, and the reason that’s not in item 20 is LOS GATOS PLANNING COMMISSION 4/27/2022 Item #4, Draft 2040 General Plan and Final Environmental Impact Report 7 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 because the whole Exhibit 7 was recommended changes, and leaving it the way it is would not be a change. I thought it might not be a bad idea before we go any further, rather than just having a poll of the Commissioners that we should vote whether or not to reduce the number in the General Plan versus leaving it the same. I was hoping to get a motion one way or the other and then we could vote on that, and then depending where the Commission comes out will help guide our discussion in terms of if the will of the Commission was to recommend to reduce the number, then we would be able to proceed with that, and if the will of the Commission was to leave it the same, then we would proceed with that. Are there any questions or comments on that? Commissioner Janoff. COMMISSIONER JANOFF: Thank you. I think that I will repeat what I said when we started this conversation at our last meeting on Monday. We’re the Planning Commission and our job is to plan and make sure the plans for the Town are recommended in a prudent and thoughtful manner listening to the public, listening to what we have to do legally, so we’ve got a big decision. LOS GATOS PLANNING COMMISSION 4/27/2022 Item #4, Draft 2040 General Plan and Final Environmental Impact Report 8 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 I understand why the number in the current Draft General Plan is what is, the total as well as the breakdown, and I’m also mindful of the amount of feedback we’ve gotten from the public. Let me say that it’s more than feedback, it’s more like uproar, recommending that we reduce those numbers, in some cases to the lowest that we would recommend, which would be the current RHNA housing cycle numbers plus the buffer, or someplace in between that RHNA number and buffer and what is in the current General Plan. I’m in favor of doing what the Commission through its deliberation is interested in doing, but I would say, as I did last time, that in our planning capacity we have to remember that the General Plan is covering three housing cycles, two complete housing cycles and the initiation of a third, so I’d like to hear the Commission’s discussion around whether it’s prudent or not to simply ignore the next two or severely reduce the next targets for the next two housing cycles, which is the general direction that a lot of the public is asking us to take. What impact does that have—maybe is a question for Staff—if we don’t include those numbers greater than the current RHNA cycle in anticipation of additional numbers coming in the future RHNA cycles? LOS GATOS PLANNING COMMISSION 4/27/2022 Item #4, Draft 2040 General Plan and Final Environmental Impact Report 9 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 I’m just interested in what the conversation around that would be. I personally feel like we have a responsibility to include those future cycles. Whether we need to do it with specific numbers or not, I’m not sure, but certainly our zoning designations and the changes that we’re making to the zoning designations would facilitate growth in those future housing cycles. I’m just really struggling with that question and would appreciate conversation from the Commission and Staff. CHAIR HANSSEN: Would you like Staff to respond to what you were saying, if we were to, say, focus only on 1,993 plus the buffer, how would that translate into possibilities for considering that the General Plan is a 2040 General Plan? COMMISSIONER JANOFF: Yes, I would. CHAIR HANSSEN: So if Staff could comment on that, that would be helpful. JENNIFER ARMER: Thank you for that question. You are correct, this is a 20-year plan and the housing numbers associated with the RHNA allocation, that is just for the eight-year RHNA cycle, the next Housing Element update, and so that is one component of what has been discussed through this process, that there will be another cycle-and-a-half that’s included in these 20 years, and so recognizing that LOS GATOS PLANNING COMMISSION 4/27/2022 Item #4, Draft 2040 General Plan and Final Environmental Impact Report 10 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 the growth projected in this Draft General Plan is based on a 20-year rather than just an eight-year cycle. In addition to that, one of things though to keep in mind in this discussion is that you have recommended that there be a five-year kind of check in on the Land Use Element in particular, and there is an implementation measure for a ten-year check in on the whole General Plan, so there are options through that timeline to check in, or if we get to the next cycle and find that there isn’t enough capacity within the General Plan, then it may be that as part of that Housing Element there needs to also be some updates to the land use regulations. All of that being said, Staff is in support of the Draft 2040 General Plan as recommended by the GPAC, and if some reductions were proposed as part of the recommendation from the Planning Commission, we would recommend that it not be any more than the difference that was noted on page six of the Staff Report for the April 13th meeting where we laid out certain portions of the built-out table, certain portions of those numbers that wouldn’t count towards the next eight year, for example, 300 ADU units, and we modified some of those numbers to try to make this more of a apples-to-apples comparison and then showed what the different between that and the RHNA plus buffer LOS GATOS PLANNING COMMISSION 4/27/2022 Item #4, Draft 2040 General Plan and Final Environmental Impact Report 11 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 is, and so a reduction that’s greater than that would not be recommended by Staff. CHAIR HANSSEN: Very good. Commissioner Thomas, you have your hand up. COMMISSIONER THOMAS: Thank you, Chair Hanssen. I do appreciate the reminder that we will be checking in on the Land Use Element at a more frequent cycle than the 20- year General Plan cycle, I just don’t see how we reasonably are not going to get similar RHNA numbers moving forward in the future, and so if that’s the case I feel like this 3,700 number seems very reasonable. I completely understand that that makes a lot of people in Town very scared for very justifiable reasons, but I also am very confident that the rest of the General Plan and the implementation programs that are being prioritized over the next five and ten years are ones that will improve infrastructure and ensure that the Town can support this housing. I think that when people voiced concerns to me prior to when I came I didn’t talk to anyone about it, but when I saw all of our feedback and public comments that were received, I feel like people see this number and have an initial reaction without reading and looking at the entire General Plan, and I think that a lot of residents would be comforted by understanding more fully the entire LOS GATOS PLANNING COMMISSION 4/27/2022 Item #4, Draft 2040 General Plan and Final Environmental Impact Report 12 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 General Plan as an entire package instead of just this small piece of the Land Use Element. I want to be in agreement with the other Commissioners tonight and I’ve really been trying to think a lot about this over the past two days since our meeting on Monday, but I am afraid that we’re setting future Commissions, Housing Element Advisory Boards, and the Town up for many more challenges instead of opportunities to meet our future RHNA numbers if we reduce this number significantly. So that’s my main concern, and I think that having a goal, and then if we in like five or ten years need to adjust this land use number down, that’s going to be easier to do than getting our RHNA and then having to go back and change our land use, and check in with our Land Use Element as we’re writing a new Housing Element, so I don’t think we should plan on having to change the Land Use Element. I think we should try to hope for it to be designed to last 20 years and as the backup have it be available to be updated. So those are my feelings on these things. I think also something that is really important is that no matter what the number is in the General Plan, the Town and the plan itself does not have control over how many units are going to be developed. The Town itself is LOS GATOS PLANNING COMMISSION 4/27/2022 Item #4, Draft 2040 General Plan and Final Environmental Impact Report 13 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 not developing those units. Developers have to come in and want to build, and what is much more important to the number of units that are going to be built is how zoning is going to be changed and densities are going to be changed. I think that just because this is written into the General Plan as a goal that’s a Guiding Principle it does not automatically set us up for the addition of 3,700 new units in the next just couple of years at a growth that’s unsustainable for the Town, because we still have local control. But if we don’t meet our RHNA numbers, then I’m afraid that we’re going to lose control over a lot of things that are really important to people in Town. That’s just how I’m feeling about this, but I really am curious to hear what other Commissioners have to say. CHAIR HANSSEN: Thank you, Commissioner Thomas, for all your comments, and that was very thoughtful and gave us a lot of things to think about as a Commission in terms of making our recommendation. Director Paulson has his hand up, so I’m going to ask him to comment before I go to Commissioner Clark. JOEL PAULSON: Thank you, Chair. Thank you for the comments, Commissioner Thomas. Just for the entirety of LOS GATOS PLANNING COMMISSION 4/27/2022 Item #4, Draft 2040 General Plan and Final Environmental Impact Report 14 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 the Commission’s understanding, a couple of points of clarification. The challenge that has been brought up in public comments as well, we modify the densities for the General Plan to what is currently proposed. Under current state law there is not an option to draw those back, so we’re not allowed to reduce those densities. I just want the Commission to understand that component. It gets a little bit to the point, which I think we talked about before, if the number is changed, which is definitely under the purview of the Commission and then ultimately the Council, if that number is changed, should we run into an issue, whether it’s five years or as we start to look at the next seventh cycle Housing Element out in probably 2028 or 2029, if we don’t have capacity for whatever the anticipated number there for that cycle is, then ultimately we would be revisiting the General Plan Land Use Element either while we’re going through the Housing Element or we would have implementation programs in that Housing Element that would require modification so that we could accommodate our RHNA if we didn’t have the capacity left. I just wanted to make those two points of clarification for both. LOS GATOS PLANNING COMMISSION 4/27/2022 Item #4, Draft 2040 General Plan and Final Environmental Impact Report 15 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 CHAIR HANSSEN: All right, thank you for that, Director Paulson. Commissioner Clark. COMMISSIONER CLARK: Thank you. I first want to say that I really, really value the opinions of my fellow commissioners and so I’ll share my thoughts, but I’m really excited to hear what others have to say and I’m very open to everyone’s ideas, comments, and knowledge. A few of my thoughts are first, I do think just one problem we’ve had so far is misinformation and the knee-jerk reaction that people had to that number. I heard people saying that we’re going to build 30,000 units, and so it did get really inflated, and also I think that people did imagine the Town going and building 3,700 units or something like that, and people not really understanding that this is for three cycles, like we’ve been talking about. My thoughts are that I think that one thing that the entire community can agree on is that we want to get our Housing Element through, and I think that we agree on this whether you’re the biggest CMB ever or whether you really want to avoid state control and to maintain local control that we all want our Housing Element to go through for whatever reason. LOS GATOS PLANNING COMMISSION 4/27/2022 Item #4, Draft 2040 General Plan and Final Environmental Impact Report 16 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 For me, I think that these numbers make it exponentially more likely that we get our Housing Element through and that we would need to accommodate for this number of units within the three General Plan cycles regardless, so my inclination for what’s really best is that I think that we should leave it as is, or very close as is, but I also understand that we need to alleviate community concerns, and so I think regardless something we’ll have to do after this is some additional education and really making sure that people understand the reasons behind whatever decision we make tonight. But I also think in terms of keeping a high number, we need as many opportunities as possible to offer developers, so as many locations and as much density in the appropriate zoning, because there are only so many developments to go around and I think we don’t want all of them to get built in other communities that were a little more ambitious or did do more to accommodate for construction, and so I want to make sure that we’re also an appealing location and one where there is opportunity. CHAIR HANSSEN: Thank you for that, Commissioner Clark. Vice Chair Barnett. LOS GATOS PLANNING COMMISSION 4/27/2022 Item #4, Draft 2040 General Plan and Final Environmental Impact Report 17 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 VICE CHAIR BARNETT: Thank you. I also am desirous of hearing from all the Commissioners on this important issue. I come from the other direction, more of what Mr. Paulson was saying, that we review the housing capacity on a five-year basis and see where we are, so we’re not speculating about what the future RHNA requirements would be. I also am very concerned that if we up-zone 40% of the land in the Town that we will not be able to down- zone despite problems with traffic and greenhouse gases, which are noted already in the EIR as being over the acceptable margins, and also problems concerning public service demands, school crowding, and water, which have been major sources of concern to the members of the public. So again, while I’m open minded, I think that a more appropriate approach would be to start with the RHNA and the buffer and add additional housing opportunities in certain zoning areas as I’ve suggested in my submission. Thank you. CHAIR HANSSEN: Thank you for that, Vice Chair Barnett. Commissioner Raspe. COMMISSIONER RASPE: Thank you, Chair. First off, like all my fellow commissioners I think we’ve collected a LOS GATOS PLANNING COMMISSION 4/27/2022 Item #4, Draft 2040 General Plan and Final Environmental Impact Report 18 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 diverse group of Commissioners with varying ideas and I think that adds to this discussion. I’m looking forward to the discussion that we’re about to have. As part of that, as I was thinking about it over the last several days I called into question a little bit what is the roll of a Planning Commissioner? Are we here to just give our own voices, or is it to give voice to all those in the community? We certainly heard a lot of voices on these particular issues, and I think as Commissioner Janoff indicated, maybe upheaval is a better word. Those kind of set the tone for my thinking and my discussion. I think at the end of our last meeting I indicated that I was in the camp of the RHNA numbers plus the buffer, 15-20%, and since that time I’ve done a little bit more thinking and I want to actually commend Vice Chair Barnett. I spent time studying your initial proposal and then our revised proposal that I looked at today, and in my view those are good starting points for the discussion. I think they encapsulate well, perhaps not the exact number that I’m at, but certainly my thinking on the subject. And like Vice Chair Barnett, and as Director Paulson indicated, the five-year review gives me comfort that if we don’t get it exactly right this first time, it’s not irretrievable, it’s not irreversible. This is going to LOS GATOS PLANNING COMMISSION 4/27/2022 Item #4, Draft 2040 General Plan and Final Environmental Impact Report 19 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 be an ongoing process. I think even if we adopt the GPAC numbers, it probably won’t carry us through all the cycles that will occur in the 20-year General Plan, and so at some point it’s going to have to be revisited. Those are my thoughts, but again, I look forward to having this discussion with all my Commissioners. CHAIR HANSSEN: Thank you for that. Before I go back to Commissioner Janoff and Commissioner Thomas, and Commissioner Thomas was first, I will reiterate some of what I said the other night. When we started the process of the General Plan update back in 2018 we didn’t know what our RHNA was, and so we had to imagine what might happen over the next 20 years, and the number we put in during the (inaudible) was 2,000 units, and low and behold, that became our RHNA for eight years. Getting back to all the concerns that we had in the public, putting 2,000 units in Town, although we have no responsibility for building them, it will be developers doing that, we do have to plan for them, and it’s a scary thing for everybody. We’ve had issues, beach traffic and whatnot, so I’m of the mind that Staff made some recommendations in the Staff Report that we should consider a compromise position LOS GATOS PLANNING COMMISSION 4/27/2022 Item #4, Draft 2040 General Plan and Final Environmental Impact Report 20 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 in between satisfying the needs of the eight years and looking somewhat ahead, and being mindful of the fact there are some things over the 20-years that we have no control over, for example, Staff is forecasting that we’ll have 500 ADUs, and that’s based on the rate that we’re getting ADUs right now, and state law makes it a ministerial permit to be able to do ADUs and there’s nothing at all that the Commission or the Town Council or anyone can do about that. My feeling is that we ought to consider an approach that’s balanced, that does not isolate housing into one particular zoning category, but that is something in between what we saw and had put out a year ago and where we need to be in the RHNA numbers, so something in between those two is where I thought we should be, but I also respect and want to hear from the rest of the Commission. I’ll go back to Commissioner Thomas. COMMISSIONER THOMAS: Thank you. I think that it is a great idea to be able to come back and review the Land Use Element every five years, but I don’t think my intent of being able to do that and recommend that to Town Council was not so that we can come back and adjust our numbers every five years. That was an emergency because things might be changing over the next 20 years, and I still do think that it is our responsibility as a Planning LOS GATOS PLANNING COMMISSION 4/27/2022 Item #4, Draft 2040 General Plan and Final Environmental Impact Report 21 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 Commission to try to get this as good as we can for a 20- year vision and the backup to be that we can review this every five years and make updates if needed. I also understand, Commissioner Raspe, what you’re saying with regard to public comments and public outcry and what Commissioner Janoff mentioned, but I feel very strongly that it is also our job as Planning Commissioners to make sure that we represent underserved populations and their voices and those that can’t necessarily speak up for themselves. We’re going to need to build a lot of these units and that’s going to need to be for like young children who live in Town right now and who are going to grow up and can’t afford to live here, and so I do think that we shouldn’t just always listen to the loudest voice in the room as Planning Commissioners and it is our role to take a step back and make decisions that are best for the entire community, and that includes people that work here that can’t afford to live here right now. I do really want to come into agreement, but I really do feel strongly that we should be trying to plan for the next 20 years, even though I know that we have a backup plan of being able to change things on a five-year time period with the Land Use Element. LOS GATOS PLANNING COMMISSION 4/27/2022 Item #4, Draft 2040 General Plan and Final Environmental Impact Report 22 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 CHAIR HANSSEN: Commissioner Janoff. COMMISSIONER JANOFF: Thank you. Let me just start by saying I noted in the 2020 General Plan currently in place there is a discussion of land use, but there’s no discussion of numbers whatsoever, so I appreciate the fact that we’ve got a table of numbers in here. It’s really full transparency to the public what is happening and is anticipated to be happening in terms of the drive by the State of California to increase housing, and the reason that we’re at this 2,000 number now, which is extraordinary in itself, is because Los Gatos as well as—perhaps the exception is Morgan Hill—has not planned adequately to get to the population that’s most in need. I especially appreciate Commissioner Thomas’ comment about the underserved in our community. That’s precisely the sector that we don’t hear from, but that’s precisely the sector that the state is hoping to be better served through these laws and measures. So I just wanted to comment that I truly appreciate that the General Plan is laying it all out there, the draft plan, so that people can understand. There are two bullets in the list of potential reductions that are reducing the density from 40 dwellings per acre to 30 in Mixed-Use and High-Density. My question LOS GATOS PLANNING COMMISSION 4/27/2022 Item #4, Draft 2040 General Plan and Final Environmental Impact Report 23 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 to Staff is if we did reduce that density in the General Plan, can we do incentives in a Land Use Element to provide increased density beyond the 30, if we were to reduce it to 30? Can the Housing Element incentivize over what’s in the General Plan? My suspicion is the answer is no. But alternatively can we condition what’s in the General Plan in terms of zoning densities that it’s 40 units per acre only if you are providing this type of housing, otherwise it goes down to 30? JENNIFER ARMER: Thank you for that question. I’ll start with one point in terms of the densities and reduction of them and some concerns about reducing those down to, say, a level of 30, and then I would guess that our Community Development Director or Town Manager may have more to add. The one thing to keep in mind in terms of reduction of some of those zones that are higher density under the current Draft 2040 General Plan is that if we are going to count those parcels are potential affordable housing it’s not just that the maximum allowed density needs to be at least 30, it’s actually that it needs to be a range with the minimum being 30, so it does actually need to be a bit above that, and we can talk more about that to provide additional clarification, but that’s one component. LOS GATOS PLANNING COMMISSION 4/27/2022 Item #4, Draft 2040 General Plan and Final Environmental Impact Report 24 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 Providing incentives for more affordable housing is more likely to be something that would be part of the Housing Element, a program there, but with that I think I will pass it off Community Development Director Paulson. JOEL PAULSON: Thank you. I think Jennifer touched on a couple of important points. For our default density, which in the last cycle was 20 dwelling units per acre, some of you might remember, because the San Jose metro area is now above two million we are now in a different category, which our default density is now 30 dwelling units per acre. Just to go back, the reductions that are outlined in the Staff Report, those are just examples based on input from Council of what kind of information we should bring for consideration. They’re not necessarily recommendations of Staff. But ultimately, I think that range, again, getting back to the point of we’re not going to be able to reduce the density, maybe rather than 30 to 40, it’s an option of 30 to 35. Obviously, those could be reduced in any and all of the zones, so whatever the Commission and ultimately the Council want, but in those conversations I think it’s important to understand that default density opportunity, and the biggest opportunity with that is that LOS GATOS PLANNING COMMISSION 4/27/2022 Item #4, Draft 2040 General Plan and Final Environmental Impact Report 25 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 once we hit that default density we’re going to have better justification even though we’re going to have to provide evidence and additional information to say that those types of sites, because we are increasing the density, are going to be able to accommodate that very low category, which is the most difficult for many jurisdictions, especially jurisdictions like the Town, to accomplish. So as you get into those higher densities, that default density is going to be looked at differently this cycle, frankly, than the last cycle, and I think I might have mentioned that in one of the last two meetings we heard comments about the North Forty, that they had promised to do these affordable levels in the Housing Element and didn’t do that. That wasn’t a promise from the developer. That is part of the Housing Element, and because it was 20 dwelling units per acre the state said yes, you can say all of those are going to be affordable, and so that’s what was done. Even though we can’t compel developers to build to those levels, there is not any state law that allows us to compel that, we do have inclusionary housing, which covers moderate and low, but we don’t have anything that can get down to that very low. It’s really, as you’ve seen with the North Forty, an affordable housing developer LOS GATOS PLANNING COMMISSION 4/27/2022 Item #4, Draft 2040 General Plan and Final Environmental Impact Report 26 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 teaming up with a market rate developer and them basically providing land and other options so it makes sense for the affordable housing developer to develop that house. Ultimately, we need to have the density, from my perspective, and I’m not sure, we’ll see if Ms. Prevetti has additional comments, but I don’t think you can put in our General Plan the density is, let’s say, 30, but if you do X, Y, and Z you can go to 40. That becomes challenging. There are a lot of opportunities through other state laws, state density bonus law changed recently and is much more generous. Previously the maximum density bonus was 35% through that law, now it’s all the way up to 80% density bonus. So those are some of the other factors to consider as you’re going through this process, but the answer to your incentivizing, I would say no. We can, again as Ms. Armer mentioned, look for opportunities to incentivize through the Housing Element, which may lead to implementation programs that look to modify the General Plan; that’s a possibility. Hopefully we can do it kind of as a standalone option, but those are definitely going to be opportunities through the Housing Element that we’re going to have to explore just to try to come up with realistic opportunities for that very low housing level. LOS GATOS PLANNING COMMISSION 4/27/2022 Item #4, Draft 2040 General Plan and Final Environmental Impact Report 27 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 COMMISSIONER JANOFF: I did have a second question, unless the Town Manager wanted to jump in. My second question is would there be any problem with changing the way that the projected number of housing units is in the plan, instead of giving one lump number that separates it out by zoning designation, we have a table that separates the numbers by Housing Element, so it’s clear that we’ve got Housing Element 1 with 2,292 units as the target, and then an estimate for the next cycle and an estimate for the third cycle, because that seems to be a way that we can make the numbers more understandable to the public rather than lumping it all together. At this point I haven’t really heard a compelling reason to reduce these numbers down to the number that Vice Chair Barnett is suggesting. That may be appropriate for the first eight to ten years, but we’re still looking at a longer duration plan, and if the expectation is that we estimate a number or put a number forward that we think is reasonable for the entire period of the plan, then I think it needs to be a higher number. If what we’re doing is recognizing what we know as our current RHNA target and then we don’t know for the next two cycles, that’s different. LOS GATOS PLANNING COMMISSION 4/27/2022 Item #4, Draft 2040 General Plan and Final Environmental Impact Report 28 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 I don’t think that’s as transparent as we should be with the Town, so at the moment I’m still not convinced that we shouldn’t communicate the numbers much higher than the, I guess, 2,400 or 2,600 that Vice Chair Barnett has offered. But I’m open to understanding why that would make sense. CHAIR HANSSEN: Thank you for that, and I just want to check in, because the Town Manager has her camera one. Did you want to comment or not? LAUREL PREVETTI: I just wanted to say I think what Commissioner Janoff is suggesting is some kind of phased housing development in the General Plan, maybe 1,993 plus a buffer for the first, I don't know, eight or ten years, and then some other increment of housing for another time period. I just want you to know that from my experience of having tried to implement a phased housing General Plan, usually the sites that you identify for that first phase just never seem to line up with where the developers want to build, so you’re still going to be looking at General Plan amendments and having those policy debates, and quite frankly, we’re so small that I’m not sure a phased approach for Los Gatos would really work. In theory it can work, but the implementation of that is very, very, challenging, so I would recommend that the Commission LOS GATOS PLANNING COMMISSION 4/27/2022 Item #4, Draft 2040 General Plan and Final Environmental Impact Report 29 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 focus on a total number for the Council’s consideration and then we can work through the implementation once we have an adopted General Plan. Thank you. COMMISSIONER JANOFF: If I could just add a comment. I wasn’t suggesting a phased plan per se, just that these are how the numbers might play out over a period of time, but not phasing. I don’t think I would change the zoning designations that we have to enable the 3,700 or however many numbers, so I wouldn’t recommend a phasing of any of those policies or zoning limits. It was just a matter of communicating this is the number we know for this cycle, and then there are going to be more without phasing. JENNIFER ARMER: Commissioner Janoff, what I’m hearing from you is just ideas of how to share the information about what this development would be. Since these numbers were estimated based on a 20-year timeline, what is that estimate? If you broke that out into chunks of time over the 20 years, how many numbers would go into each bucket is what I’m hearing. COMMISSIONER JANOFF: That’s exactly what I’m suggesting, just for clarification for the public so they’re not saying, oh my goodness, 3,700 units in the next five years; we’ll be overwhelmed. Yes, we would be overwhelmed, and that’s not what we’re planning for. LOS GATOS PLANNING COMMISSION 4/27/2022 Item #4, Draft 2040 General Plan and Final Environmental Impact Report 30 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 JENNIFER ARMER: Yes, and I’m not sure if that’s something that with a General Plan, it’s general, it’s long range, and so getting into that kind of detailed prediction is likely a difficult thing and might not be feasible. It looks like Director Paulson may have something to add. JOEL PAULSON: We have tried through many methods to communicate the current cycle versus the 20-year plan and that we’re going to have two-plus cycles in there. I would say absolute best-case scenario from an assumption perspective, we know that we have this cycle. Let’s say by some miraculous stroke of luck the state in the next cycle says that was too ambitious, we’re going to go back to your fifth cycle number, which was 619, so you can just use that number, again, not knowing what that number is going to be. But if it did go back that far, we still wouldn’t have the capacity in what we’re currently proposing, and I think the reality is—we talked about this a lot in the GPAC also—this is a big leap for the Town in a lot of these areas from a density perspective, so we understand that. My thought is going into this we understand that whether it’s five years from now, ten years from now, 15 years from now, we’re probably going to be reevaluating some other options so that we can accommodate whatever that LOS GATOS PLANNING COMMISSION 4/27/2022 Item #4, Draft 2040 General Plan and Final Environmental Impact Report 31 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 next cycle number is, because we probably aren’t going to have the capacity, and then state laws change relating to Housing Elements. You’re all aware, there’s much more stringent guidelines about using sites that were in previous elements, sites that are not vacant, and with a town like ours, we don’t have a whole lot of vacant land sitting around, so those are going to be conversations over the next decades, whatever chunk you want to put that in, that we’re going to have to accomplish, and we understand that, but we also appreciate that from the community’s perspective this is a big leap from a density perspective in a lot of these areas. CHAIR HANSSEN: Thank you for all that. I know Commissioners Clark and Thomas have had their hands up, but I do have a couple of questions that I think are really important to ask right now. Supposing that it was the will of the Commission to be more conservative and know that we will have to reevaluate this thing at the next Housing Element cycle and that we weren’t going to be tying our hands behind our back to get there, I wanted to ask a couple of specific questions about the suggestions that were on page six of the April 13th Staff Report. LOS GATOS PLANNING COMMISSION 4/27/2022 Item #4, Draft 2040 General Plan and Final Environmental Impact Report 32 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 One was about the potential reductions. If it was the will of the Commission to do potential reductions, Commissioner Janoff brought up about the density for Mixed- Use or High-Density, even knowing about how affordable housing happens I would be really reluctant to change any of the densities for Mixed-Use or High-Density, because what we really want to encourage is smaller units, and while there is no guarantee that the smaller units will be smaller prices, they will be but it might not be as small as we’d like, and that’s where the affordable housing developers come in. The affordable housing developers are not going to get involved in Low-Density Residential, because it’s simply not going to be enough units for them to make a difference, so I definitely wouldn’t want to change any of that. One of the things that occurred to me since I was on the GPAC, at the very last minute toward the very end of the process to give ourselves more tools we did add in the possibility of housing in Office and Service Commercial, and if you look on page six of the Staff Report, that translated in terms of modeling into 313 units, but when we were discussing it at the GPAC I don’t think any of us thought that we would get that many units out of that, because a lot of the service that we’re talking about are LOS GATOS PLANNING COMMISSION 4/27/2022 Item #4, Draft 2040 General Plan and Final Environmental Impact Report 33 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 like the auto repair shops. It’s going to be one unit or something like that, so my question for Staff would be if we were take away that particular housing designation to allow housing in Office and Service Commercial, would that prevent us from having Mixed-Use in another area where there would be Office and Housing. JENNIFER ARMER: Thank you. Office is an allowed use in some of our other Commercial zones, for example, Mixed-Use, and so having a Mixed-Use Office and Residential would still be possible in those land use designations. JOEL PAULSON: In Office it currently is proposed at 40, and in Service Commercial it’s currently proposed as a maximum of 30, so should those be more aligned with, for instance, the Neighborhood Commercial which has a maximum of 20, or as you suggested, should one or both of those be pulled off the table, I think the challenge you run into is if you still want to have the opportunity for Mixed-Use on those sites, then we need to have a density for those sites, so that gets to be the conversation. So if you were trying to maybe lessen the impact from a number of units perspective, but also allow the opportunity for a Mixed-Use project, for instance, then we would want to set a density range for that designation. Maybe it’s just a lower density LOS GATOS PLANNING COMMISSION 4/27/2022 Item #4, Draft 2040 General Plan and Final Environmental Impact Report 34 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 range that incrementally reduces that number but not the entirety of the 313 units. CHAIR HANSSEN: I think I understand. Similar question for Low-Density Residential. The current proposal in the General Plan is to go up to 12 units per acre. Twelve units per acre isn’t anywhere close to the minimum density that’s required to consider affordable housing, so I’m not sure what we get by doing that except for that we would be not concentrating as much in other zones, because it would be spreading the housing around more, and also the fact that with Low-Density Residential, and we’re not planning as such to make ADUs happen, we’re certainly educating people about it, but ADUs are where I would think would be mostly in Low-Density Residential, and then to the extent that SB 9 actually does take off, we don’t know yet, that will be a Low-Density Residential as well, so would we be hurting ourselves in terms of production of affordable housing by lowering our density somewhat in Low-Density Residential? That’s my question. JENNIFER ARMER: Thank you for your question. I think the major impact of reducing the density in the Low- Density Residential zone is the loss of that missing middle housing. That density, you would need to keep it pretty close to where it is really to allow the potential for LOS GATOS PLANNING COMMISSION 4/27/2022 Item #4, Draft 2040 General Plan and Final Environmental Impact Report 35 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 triplexes and potentially fourplexes on some of the larger lots in the Low-Density. That still would need to be designed for compatibility with those neighborhoods, but allowing that missing middle, that variety of housing, not just the small affordable housing, but that in between, and so if we do move forward with a recommendation to reduce that density back to the existing level for Low-Density Residential, because the General Plan is no longer providing a place for the missing middle housing, then that discussion and those policies would be removed along with it. CHAIR HANSSEN: That seemed like such an appealing thing to everyone in on the General Plan Advisory Committee. Director Paulson. JOEL PAULSON: Yes, thank you. Ms. Armer is correct, and as we pointed out in the Staff Report, that would be the impact to the current Draft General Plan. I think what we’ve seen in public comment and we hear in public meetings, and you reference as well, is we don’t know what’s going to become of SB 9. SB 9, frankly, provides similar opportunities from a unit count perspective, and even with the missing middle, unless it was a very large site where you have five or more units LOS GATOS PLANNING COMMISSION 4/27/2022 Item #4, Draft 2040 General Plan and Final Environmental Impact Report 36 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 that are going to be proposed, which obviously SB 9 doesn’t cover, because currently we’ve been limited to four, but five is our current trigger for our inclusionary housing, so unless it was a large site that would even accommodate five units so you’re getting up to close to a half-acre even at the 12 range, that’s where you lose that opportunity. The reality is even with missing middle, that’s not going to get into the moderate or low, and for sure not the very-low, from an income category. ADUs are a little bit different, because as I’ve mentioned before, we’re currently able to count those as all moderate units, even though they’re not deed restricted. We’re going to have that same conversation with HCD. This time there’s actually been some early guidance that in some jurisdictions HCD may be willing to allow jurisdictions to split their ADUs into three different categories: moderate, low, and very-low, and one of the ratios that we’ve heard is 30% moderate, 30% low, and 10% very-low. We’re going to have to provide evidence if we’re able to convince HCD to get down to that very-low level, and that could be based on factors such as Junior ADUs, which can’t be more than 500 square feet, so those are going to be renting for a lower level. Whether it’s the very-low or we’re able to split in some ratio even between LOS GATOS PLANNING COMMISSION 4/27/2022 Item #4, Draft 2040 General Plan and Final Environmental Impact Report 37 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 moderate and low, those are the opportunities that we see with that. Ultimately, I think that’s the counter-argument you’ll hear, that SB 9 creates that capacity already and we’re not allowed to use density to limit that, so you’re going to have a lot of those same opportunities potentially for SB 9, it’s just a matter of how many folks are going to be interested in utilizing that state law. CHAIR HANSSEN: All right, thank you for that. I’ll go to Commissioner Clark, and then Commissioner Thomas. COMMISSIONER CLARK: Thank you. I appreciated hearing your questions before, actually, so thank you. Real quick, on that conversation we were just having about missing middle housing, I do think that it’s pretty important that we don’t reduce the density in Low- Density Residential just because those missing middle opportunities I think are one of the few ways that we have of building housing that’s at least more affordable that doesn’t require a non-profit developer to come in, so I think that’s something that we should keep there. I know that there are some really affordable fourplexes in Los Gatos that aren’t technically affordable housing; they’re LOS GATOS PLANNING COMMISSION 4/27/2022 Item #4, Draft 2040 General Plan and Final Environmental Impact Report 38 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 just naturally affordable because of the way that they’re built. Then I have a few thoughts. I agree with what Commissioner Thomas said earlier. I don’t think that we should use the every five years thing as a fallback. I think that the conversation we’re having, we shouldn’t keep saying but we can do this in five years or things like that. I think it’s good to know that it’s there, but we should try to plan for longer term than that, because it really is there more as a safety net. In terms of the public outcry that we’ve been receiving, and obviously we’ve heard a lot from the public, I do absolutely think that our role as Planning Commissioners is to represent the public, not just our own voices and obviously not our own interests and opinions, but I do think we’ve heard more from members of the public who are traditionally engaging in these spaces and who have more access to that and are more affluent and are better off, and so they’re coming more from a place of fear, and we haven’t been hearing as much from the people who really need this housing, because they may are like working two jobs and so they don’t have enough time to write public comment, or they’re completely unaware that this is LOS GATOS PLANNING COMMISSION 4/27/2022 Item #4, Draft 2040 General Plan and Final Environmental Impact Report 39 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 happening, or they’re currently working in Los Gatos but not able to afford to live here. I, personally, work with those people. The non- profit I work at serves Los Gatos, and so I think that I personally feel like we need to remember to represent those voices, even if we haven’t received an equal number of public comments from them. Also I do think we need to balance the public comments in opposition with misinformation, so like for schools really we need more students in the schools. Like they’re closing in this area, and statistically the way that the population is going, more children in the schools isn’t going to affect the overall number just because of the way that our population is structured. Then for water, like only 3% of water is used for residential, and that’s just for landscaping and agriculture and things like that. The last thing I want to say is just that I think in hindsight community members will be less upset about the higher number and things like that, because I remember when the Town was one of very few in the area not to appeal our RHNA numbers. People were up in arms and were so upset that the Town didn’t do that, and then every single application got denied, and so in the end the Town saved us a lot of LOS GATOS PLANNING COMMISSION 4/27/2022 Item #4, Draft 2040 General Plan and Final Environmental Impact Report 40 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 money and time and resources by not doing that, and I think that the same could happen when the Housing Element review comes around. If ours is one of few that goes through, or we have a lot easier of a time, and other communities who tried to be as strict as they could don’t have that same scenario happen for them. CHAIR HANSSEN: All right, well said. Thank you for that, Commissioner Clark. Commissioner Thomas, and then Commissioner Janoff. COMMISSIONER THOMAS: I want to thank Commissioner Clark for bringing up the reminder about school enrollment and some of the populations that are less likely to engage in public discourse, because I think that that is really important and as a group we need to make sure that we are serving and representing. I also think that the questions about the changes about the densities was really helpful, because I had a lot of questions about that, which ones are really open realistically to change, which ones we can change but should not, because it won’t allow us for the growth that we need. I think adding on to some of the comments that Commissioner Clark just said, I know that traffic is a LOS GATOS PLANNING COMMISSION 4/27/2022 Item #4, Draft 2040 General Plan and Final Environmental Impact Report 41 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 major, major concern in Town, and I know that that is honestly for a lot of residents one of the top, top reasons that they are opposed to this Residential build-out chart. And I understand. I grew up in Los Gatos and I still live here and I fully understand that traffic has gotten worse, but I do think when I look at our Pedestrian and Bike Master Plan, and I look at our Capital Improvement projects, and I look at the rest of the General Plan, and when we went to the Planning Commissioner Academy last year and we saw some of the really amazing changes for getting people out of cars and onto transit and into bike lanes and walking, all of us were really excited that we were there and got to see some of the amazing changes. I think that the potential for those changes are really built into other parts of the General Plan outside of this very small section of the land use, and so I think that the GPAC did so much work before I got to it, and I was just so incredibly impressed with how forward thinking with regard to connectivity the General Plan really is, and I think that that will relieve a lot of the issues with traffic. And one of the reasons traffic is bad is because people have to travel so far because people that work in Town can’t affordable to live here, and that is one of the LOS GATOS PLANNING COMMISSION 4/27/2022 Item #4, Draft 2040 General Plan and Final Environmental Impact Report 42 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 reasons why traffic is bad, because people are living so far away from their place of work, and in lower density communities and lower density towns there is a higher cost to getting transit, so the most important part about getting connected to the rest of Silicon Valley, like getting our connection with VTA and light rail, is that we need to build higher density so that VTA will actually bring more service here. We know that Los Gatos has said we want light rail to extend all the way to Vasona, and light rail is like there’s no point, because there’s not enough ridership, because you don’t have housing available there. I know that some people complain and say that because there’s too much traffic we can’t build more housing, but really this is like an if you built it, it will come scenario, and there is a ton of funding available for connectivity and transit, which makes me super excited for our Town. It just makes me very excited for the opportunities, like very genuinely I really do love transit, but very genuinely it makes me really excited for our towns and for our youth. I’m not a teacher here in Town, but I was just talking this week to my students. They’re studying air pollution and they all are like the number one thing that LOS GATOS PLANNING COMMISSION 4/27/2022 Item #4, Draft 2040 General Plan and Final Environmental Impact Report 43 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 the State of California needs to do is get people out of cars and onto transit and other multimodal transportation, and they’re like you need to make it easier to use, you need to build it out, you need to make it free, and they know this, and I’m like comment to this meeting. I feel like these are the people that we’re planning for for the future, and we have to build higher density in some parts of our Town in order for transit to make sense and be economically feasible, and that will significantly reduce traffic in the entire region. I just get really excited about transit, so thank you for letting me talk about it, but it is really fascinating because a lot of fears about traffic are very counterintuitive to reality, and there are a lot of studies that show that high-density housing reduces traffic because of linkages to transit. The last thing, I know a lot people are nervous about this number in combination with SB 9. I agree with Commissioner Clark and I appreciate that Director Paulson has reiterated that we’re going to have opportunities for duplexes and triplexes, etc., through SB 9. I think that it’s nice to have two pathways and two opportunities, especially because one will be more locally controlled and LOS GATOS PLANNING COMMISSION 4/27/2022 Item #4, Draft 2040 General Plan and Final Environmental Impact Report 44 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 we’ll have a little bit more say on it as a town and as residents. A lot of people are worried and concerned and afraid of SB 9, and the reason that SB 9 is here is because towns like Los Gatos, not like us historically, but because towns and cities didn’t make the all out effort to meet their RHNA numbers, and so the state is going further and further with trying to take state control, and I think that we have done a really amazing job with the General Plan and the GPAC did such a great job regarding trying to be a leader with the Racial, Social, and Environmental Justice element, and I really think that this is our responsibility to like be leaders right now. Like Commissioner Clark just said, like not appealing, make it as easy as possible to get our Housing Element passed as a way to save time, energy, and money for our Staff and the Town, and try to make the effort to meet the growth that the state is going to demand of us, because I don’t want us to look back and think that we have regrets because we resisted growth and there’s more state-wide housing laws that come down the pipeline that strip us of local control. I think that we really have an opportunity to be a leader in this, and I know that one major fear of Town LOS GATOS PLANNING COMMISSION 4/27/2022 Item #4, Draft 2040 General Plan and Final Environmental Impact Report 45 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 residents is losing local control, and so I think that that, even though we’ve heard a lot about the specific number, I think we need to take that fact and that idea of the potential loss of local control the more we resist growth and development as something that we need to take into consideration. I mean, there’s even talk that all new housing projects will be exempt of CEQA no matter what, and so I think that I just really want us to be a part of the solution, so I just am very excited about the possibilities. Now, I do want to say, and I will be done with my comments in a moment, I do think what Commissioner Janoff was mentioning earlier about the changing of the numbers, I appreciate that we are too small of a Town to phase things out over the next 20 years, but I do think that just adding a little bit of information to Table 3.3-1 with the build- out, with the explaining before like this is a 20-year thing; this is the expected growth of the entire county; the state is going to make us responsible for absorbing some of this growth over the next 20 years; this is our current RHNA number; we are going to go through two more cycles; etc., as a preface. Having that in there I think would maybe ease some of the public tension, and then also just having that like this number is also linked to all of LOS GATOS PLANNING COMMISSION 4/27/2022 Item #4, Draft 2040 General Plan and Final Environmental Impact Report 46 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 the planning in the entire General Plan. So that’s my suggestion for a recommended change. CHAIR HANSSEN: Thank you for that, and thank you for all your comments. I think we could make it really simple in terms of whatever the final number (inaudible) have to be to put it into the current RHNA cycle, and then anything after that. It doesn’t have to be broken down in any more granular detail, but I think that would help at least in terms of communicating what we’re doing. If you look at what Staff did in the Staff Report, they essentially did that for our consideration. If you look at page five it has the 3,738 number, and then when they normalized it for the current RHNA cycle it was 3,038, 700 less units. I think something like that is really essential for everyone. It will help with some level of panic, but it is a big number and it’s a scary thing for everyone. Commissioner Janoff. COMMISSIONER JANOFF: Thank you. I just wanted to add too that not all of the comments we received were negative. In fact, there were a number that came in that were in favor of growth, or in favor of the General Plan as it’s drafted. We understand that there is likely to be infrastructure problems, but don’t make the infrastructure LOS GATOS PLANNING COMMISSION 4/27/2022 Item #4, Draft 2040 General Plan and Final Environmental Impact Report 47 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 that we don’t have now the barrier to adding housing that we need, because you’ll never get the infrastructure in place before housing. There are great comments and levelheaded comments that came from a different perspective, and some of those comments included no, we shouldn’t concentrate development or new housing in one space. This is a Town issue; we should spread housing throughout the Town and ensure that the burden is shared. Or you could say ensure that the benefits are shared, right? We heard a lot of great testimony during our meetings with… I’m going to get the topic wrong, but it was engage in the communities so that we could hear the story relative to the low-income housing, and what we heard was such beautiful stories of communities and connectedness among people, increased diversity, and she made me really excited for the dimensions that Los Gatos could grow into, and so those are all really exciting things, and I think if we think about this as a benefit to the Town and try to see it that way and pursue it that way, it makes much more sense, and everyone can engage in a positive way rather a not in my backyard way. I also appreciate the comments of Commissioners Clark and Thomas and I would just underscore the concept of LOS GATOS PLANNING COMMISSION 4/27/2022 Item #4, Draft 2040 General Plan and Final Environmental Impact Report 48 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 leadership. That’s what we are here for. We are in a position to make a difficult designation or make an easy designation, however you see it, but that’s what we need to do, and we need to make sure that we aren’t just playing a numbers games, because for me the numbers, aside from the current RHNA cycle numbers, don’t really matter. The point is that we need to plan for growth and we need to plan for it reasonably, and that’s what we’re doing. I really am not sure that I care about the numbers beyond the current cycle, but it’s still prudent to estimate for the benefit of the public, for transparency. I’m still of a mind that the General Plan as written, maybe pull some of the numbers down a little bit if we are… One of the things that I had a little bit of an issue with was letting ADUs be a standalone number when in fact they may actually be—and Chair Hanssen and I have had this conversation over many months—that those ADUs are more likely to be in a Low-Density and Medium-Density Residential, and so you’re going to have added housing in all density areas of Town. Acknowledge that and let it be part of the plan. CHAIR HANSSEN: Thank you for that. Some very, very good comments. Vice Chair Barnett, go ahead. LOS GATOS PLANNING COMMISSION 4/27/2022 Item #4, Draft 2040 General Plan and Final Environmental Impact Report 49 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 VICE CHAIR BARNETT: I appreciate all the comments that have been submitted. I have a couple of thoughts. First, increased housing is not going to necessarily bring low-cost housing. What with the land values in Los Gatos, that’s going to be a struggle. We did hear in the past about some consolidation of interest by nonprofits as well as for-profit developers as being a possible avenue to increase low-cost housing, but from the speakers that I heard at the presentation of Commissioner Clark’s organization, West Valley Community Services, that’s going to be a tough road to hoe. We hope it happens. I’m in favor of low-cost housing and there is a housing crisis throughout the State of California. Saying that, I do think that we can achieve significant housing growth in Los Gatos without going up to the 3,738 number. We know there’s going to be SB 9 and ADU developments that are going to go into the R-1 area and will make a reasonable contribution to the growth of housing in that area, and I think that it would be important to recognize that there is some value to keeping the traditional character of the neighborhoods in place where possible while still accommodating reasonable growth within the community. LOS GATOS PLANNING COMMISSION 4/27/2022 Item #4, Draft 2040 General Plan and Final Environmental Impact Report 50 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 So those are some of the concerns that I have, some perspectives on how Los Gatos can continue to be Los Gatos and yet meet the state legal requirements. I think they’re compatible. CHAIR HANSSEN: Thank you for that, Vice Chair Barnett. Commissioner Janoff. COMMISSIONER JANOFF: A question related to what Vice Chair Barnett mentioned. It’s not clear to me, and Staff, hopefully you can clarify how SB 9 units and/or ADUs over the 500 planned might be counted. Well, let’s not talk about 500, let’s talk I guess it’s 200 that are in the first cycle. If those are not named as items to be counted in our Housing Element, but they come, do we count those as units toward the RHNA goals or do they not count at all? JENNIFER ARMER: Thank you for the question. I think there are two different ways to respond to your question. One part of it is what can we count in terms of the showing that the Housing Element will meet our RHNA requirement and getting it accepted by the state? That has to be based on our past history, and that’s what this estimate of 200 units over the eight years is based on. It’s based on our past history, which has been increasing, and so we will do a final study in terms of what that final LOS GATOS PLANNING COMMISSION 4/27/2022 Item #4, Draft 2040 General Plan and Final Environmental Impact Report 51 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 number is, but what we have right now is an estimate of 200 over that eight years. The second part of your questions I think is then do those units, if we actually have more than that number built over those eight years, how are those counted? And they would be counted. Every new housing unit that comes into the Town during that RHNA cycle, that eight-year reporting period, would be counted. It would be part of the ongoing reporting that we do every year, and so they will be part of reporting out on how we’re doing, our status, but we can’t go beyond what our past studies show as reasonable; that’s the justification we’d be providing to the state. COMMISSIONER JANOFF: So you’re saying that in the plan in advance of anything being certified or approved, but that the plan that we put forward needs to have history behind it, but once the plan is certified and we’re moving forward in that period that whatever is built is counted. But I think it’s also fair to say that we acknowledge that ADUs and the SB 9 lot splits might not wind up being low-income housing, so if our density and our targets need to be focused on how to develop the low-income LOS GATOS PLANNING COMMISSION 4/27/2022 Item #4, Draft 2040 General Plan and Final Environmental Impact Report 52 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 housing, that’s kind of a different conversation, but thank you for clarifying how the units are actually counted. CHAIR HANSSEN: I would add to this, I had brought this up with Staff earlier. If you look at what the Housing Element Advisory Board is working on right now, we just met last week and talked about the site inventory, and since the beginning of the month the Balancing Act tool is something that was introduced as part of this Housing Element and the Balancing Act tool actually has the draft site inventory loaded into it, along with a possible housing production, and the way that the tool works is that you can’t submit anything until you get up to 1,993, meaning that if you’re any member of the public or anyone using the tool, if you only wanted to grow 200 units, you can’t submit it, because you have to actually get the bar up to 1,993. However, in that Balancing Act tool, it’s set up where the 200 expected units of ADUs are actually deducted from the 1,993, so that is where I think Commissioner Janoff’s question was going and I kind of had the some one. But with the General Plan, because it’s a 20-year timeline, Staff has pulled that out because we do expect 500 ADUs over the course of the timeline between now and 2020, but it does beg the question of do we really need to LOS GATOS PLANNING COMMISSION 4/27/2022 Item #4, Draft 2040 General Plan and Final Environmental Impact Report 53 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 plan for 1,993 units plus a buffer, or is it the 2,292 that would include the buffer minus 200 ADUs, meaning we only need to plan for 2,092 units. So it’s not clear how all that is going to work, but that is a question that I had as well, and so I don't know if we have the latitude to think about that as a potential reduction of the overall growth. That’s a question. JENNIFER ARMER: What I would say is the way that we presented it in the April 13th Staff Report was intended to try to narrow down the difference in numbers we’re looking at, trying to avoid this confusion about how many ADUs are or aren’t counted, so when we adjusted those numbers to the 3,038 that was trying to adjust how much of the potential development that’s shown in that table in the Land Use Element of the Draft 2040 General Plan, how much of that capacity might potentially we counted toward the Housing Element since 300 of the ADUs could not be counted towards our RHNA requirement. So then rather than needing to really fully understand where all those numbers come from and where they go, trying to adjust those numbers then to say if you start from an assumption that for the Housing Element we want enough capacity for the RHNA allocation, the 1,993, plus LOS GATOS PLANNING COMMISSION 4/27/2022 Item #4, Draft 2040 General Plan and Final Environmental Impact Report 54 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 the recommended buffer of at least 15%, then you look at the development capacity as estimated in the Draft General Plan. What we came to was saying that there is some additional room within those calculations, because it is a 20-year plan, because the GPAC was trying to provide some additional capacity so that there would be some choices when we got to the point of working out the details, which is what the Housing Element Advisory Board is working on now. That extra capacity, as we laid it out in that Staff Report, is the 746 units. So we can talk through more and try to understand how many ADUs you keep in or keep out, but as we laid out in the Staff Report, if the Planning Commission as a whole, the recommendation as a whole, is to reduce below what was recommended by the GPAC, if your desire is to find some way to reduce those numbers somewhat, the reduction factor, the limit of that reduction that Staff would recommend is that it not go for more than a 746 unit reduction. Because we knew there was that interest for you to have some numbers to work with, both based on the public comments that were received, but also direction from Town Council to provide you with some nice, clear options, these aren’t the only options, and you could do some kind of LOS GATOS PLANNING COMMISSION 4/27/2022 Item #4, Draft 2040 General Plan and Final Environmental Impact Report 55 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 partial options, but this was intended to allow if the Planning Commission wishes to reduce, to modify what was recommended by the GPAC, here are some different ways that you could do it. Just like the Exhibit 7 was put together not as verbatim of all of the public comments, but a summary in a way that was intended to help in your discussion. For many of those Staff was neutral. It’s really up to the Planning Commission to as to what changes, but we would recommend focusing on if you want to reduce as part of your recommendation what components, where would those reductions be, and focusing on a number in the range of that 746 kind of as a limit if you are going to reduce. CHAIR HANSSEN: We thank you for that, and that’s where I was going with some of my questions earlier. I believe that we’re well and truly divided right now in terms of whether or not to reduce the number, and also it is 9:25, so I’m going to suggest that we take a ten minute break, and when we come back see if we can get to a consensus about whether or not the number needs to be reduced. It might be a split vote, but I think we need to see if we can get some resolution on that, and if we do decide to reduce it, then we do have to make a specific LOS GATOS PLANNING COMMISSION 4/27/2022 Item #4, Draft 2040 General Plan and Final Environmental Impact Report 56 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 recommendation on how we would do it. So let’s do that. It’s 9:25 and then we’ll come back at 9:35. (INTERMISSION) CHAIR HANSSEN: …but we do at some point need to get to whether or not we want to recommend reducing the number that’s proposed, and Staff has given us some possible ways to go about that. I’m not sure what the best way to proceed is, but I’m going to make a suggestion that because I think we’re divided on this we could try having someone make a motion, because I’m quite sure that the six of us that are here are not going to vote for one or the other unanimously. The options on the table would be to leave the number as is, which I know at least two Commissioners aren’t there, and then as far as the option of reducing the number, I think there are varying opinions about how much to do. So would anyone want to try to make a motion and see where that goes, or do you want to ask more questions? Commissioner Thomas. COMMISSIONER THOMAS: I’m happy to make a motion. I think we all know what it would be, and if it passes, then we’re done, and if not, then we’ll need to discuss changes to the numbers. CHAIR HANSSEN: Okay. LOS GATOS PLANNING COMMISSION 4/27/2022 Item #4, Draft 2040 General Plan and Final Environmental Impact Report 57 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 COMMISSIONER THOMAS: I guess I shouldn’t include everything in the Land Use Element in this? CHAIR HANSSEN: Not yet. COMMISSIONER THOMAS: Oh, not yet. So we’re just voting for number 20? CHAIR HANSSEN: I think that would be best. We do have to go there on the other ones, but let’s take it in two parts, kind of like we did with the Environment and Sustainability Element where we looked at sections of it. COMMISSIONER THOMAS: Okay. We were in agreement from the other night on the other three items that the Staff mentioned earlier, correct? Or do we need to go back to discuss that more? CHAIR HANSSEN: I don't know that we need to discuss it. That was close to my recollection on it, but I didn’t know if Commissioners wanted to relook at it to make sure that that. Now I’m seeing no. Well then, go ahead and make the motion on the entire Land Use Element, including the other changes that… COMMISSIONER THOMAS: Director Paulson says don’t. I’m not, because then people will have to vote on some and not others, and then they’re split. CHAIR HANSSEN: Yeah, yeah, yeah. LOS GATOS PLANNING COMMISSION 4/27/2022 Item #4, Draft 2040 General Plan and Final Environmental Impact Report 58 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 COMMISSIONER THOMAS: I get it. I get it. But I could make a motion first for those other three, if you want me to try to do them together, two separate motions. I’m trying to be efficient and now I’m not. CHAIR HANSSEN: You can make two separate motions, and that’s fine, but in terms of timing I would just make them serial. COMMISSIONER THOMAS: My first motion is to recommend the changes in the Land Use Element outlined in 21, 33, and 34. And 40? No. CHAIR HANSSEN: Well, yes. Actually, that’s a very good one to bring up. We had a conversation on Monday about making a recommendation to modify the North Forty Specific Plan. COMMISSIONER THOMAS: Yes, so do we want to make that an implementation program? We do want to make that an implementation program. Okay, so yes, include 40 in that too. CHAIR HANSSEN: Yes. COMMISSIONER THOMAS: So 40, 34, 33, and 21 as written in the document. CHAIR HANSSEN: All right, so then is there a second? Looks like Commissioner Clark has her hand up. LOS GATOS PLANNING COMMISSION 4/27/2022 Item #4, Draft 2040 General Plan and Final Environmental Impact Report 59 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 COMMISSIONER CLARK: I have a couple of modifications, a couple of other additions. I think I didn’t realize at the end of the last meeting that we were done with it, so can I just make two short suggestions? CHAIR HANSSEN: Yes. COMMISSIONER CLARK: First is to add a definition of “rafters” to key terms, because they’re referenced in the definition of eave, but there’s no definition of rafters, and I felt like that could be helpful. CHAIR HANSSEN: Okay. COMMISSIONER CLARK: Then the other one was supposed to be in the Community Design Element, I’m sorry. I will second Commissioner Thomas’ motion. CHAIR HANSSEN: Will the maker of the motion be willing to add the rafters definition to your motion? COMMISSIONER CLARK: The rafters was actually in Community Design Element. My bad CHAIR HANSSEN: I’m sorry, that was for the Community Design Element, so we don’t have to modify the motion at all. COMMISSIONER CLARK: (Shakes head no.) CHAIR HANSSEN: So the motion on the table that has been seconded is 21, 33, 34, and 40. So motion and a second. Any other comments? And this is on everything other LOS GATOS PLANNING COMMISSION 4/27/2022 Item #4, Draft 2040 General Plan and Final Environmental Impact Report 60 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 than the discussion we’ve been having about 20. So then we’ll do a roll call vote, yes, no, or abstain. CHAIR HANSSEN: Commissioner Thomas. COMMISSIONER THOMAS: Yes. CHAIR HANSSEN: Commissioner Raspe. COMMISSIONER RASPE: Yes. CHAIR HANSSEN: Commissioner Janoff. COMMISSIONER JANOFF: Yes. CHAIR HANSSEN: Commissioner Clark. COMMISSIONER CLARK: Yes. CHAIR HANSSEN: Vice Chair Barnett. VICE CHAIR BARNETT: Yes. CHAIR HANSSEN: And I vote yes as well. So that one was easy. Then we have the harder one, which is whether or not to recommend any reductions. Normally we are only making motions if we were going to recommend a change, but in this particular case I think if the will of the Commissioner would be to keep it, we should vote that way as well. Commissioner Janoff. COMMISSIONER JANOFF: I just had a question before we attempt to form a motion. I think it’s clear where Commissioner Clark and Commissioner Thomas are on a possible motion. It’s not clear to me where Commissioner LOS GATOS PLANNING COMMISSION 4/27/2022 Item #4, Draft 2040 General Plan and Final Environmental Impact Report 61 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 Raspe and Vice Chair Barnett are. We’ve heard in early comments that you are recommending something that was about 1,000 units lower than what’s already recommended in the General Plan, and I’m just curious to know whether that’s your current position so you’re really focusing on the current RHNA with a slight increase, or has the discussion at all modulated your thinking, and are we still so far apart, or had any middle ground been reached on your behalf? Sorry to put you on the spot, but I just am not sure where we are here. CHAIR HANSSEN: I actually think that is a fair question, only because it’s awkward to put motions out there that are going to fail. It’s better if you know where you stand. Go ahead, Commissioner Raspe. COMMISSIONER RASPE: Thank you, Chair. I’ll answer Commissioner Janoff’s question to the extent I might. First of all, I think I indicated a general support for Commissioner Barnett’s proposal as he circulated on April 27th, and if I read it correctly I think it actually calls for a total reduction of 569 units, and as I read those I supported him and I still support them now. LOS GATOS PLANNING COMMISSION 4/27/2022 Item #4, Draft 2040 General Plan and Final Environmental Impact Report 62 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 I will tell the Commission I feel most strongly about the Low-Density Residential and slightly less, but also fairly strongly, about the Medium-Density Residential. Changes to those densities I find the most troubling of the recommendations, and so those are the ones I feel most strongly about, which I guess results in about 350 units or so, or maybe a little bit more than that. That’s kind of where my thinking is, and so I wouldn’t support, if we were to take a vote, which I suspect we will immediately, not an across the board acceptance of the GPAC numbers. I would like to see some movement, most specifically in the Low-Density and Medium- Density Residential numbers. So that’s my current thinking. COMMISSIONER JANOFF: Through the Chair, may I ask a question? CHAIR HANSSEN: Yes. COMMISSIONER JANOFF: Commissioner Raspe, I wasn’t clear if you were saying you wanted to see Low- Density and Medium-Density revert back to the 2020 numbers? COMMISSIONER RASPE: Correct, yes. COMMISSIONER JANOFF: And did the conversation about the missing middle give you any pause with respect to how going to the 2020 numbers might eliminate that category and the benefits that that offers? LOS GATOS PLANNING COMMISSION 4/27/2022 Item #4, Draft 2040 General Plan and Final Environmental Impact Report 63 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 COMMISSIONER RASPE: It absolutely did, and just in my own mind in response, and I think maybe Vice Chair Barnett or someone else made the comment, to the extent those developments come into play I’m not sure, again, the way those would be priced and built. I suspect those would be high-income developments, if they happened at all, but I’m not sure that it’s just by virtue of the fact that we are bringing the densities up that those developments will come in. I understand your argument; I just don’t know that it’s going to be the natural flow of events that follow from our decisions. CHAIR HANSSEN: Let’s see, I’m going to go to Vice Chair Barnett, because he had his hand up next, but I suspect that Commissioner Thomas had a response to that, but let’s hear from Vice Chair Barnett and then Commissioner Thomas. VICE CHAIR BARNETT: I think the reductions that I proposed in my spreadsheet are reasonable and consider all the factors that have been talked about in realistic terms. How much are we going to be able to reduce traffic by multimodal? That’s certainly the goal, but I think the public raised questions as to how practical that is in real life. LOS GATOS PLANNING COMMISSION 4/27/2022 Item #4, Draft 2040 General Plan and Final Environmental Impact Report 64 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 The other concerns about character of the neighborhood, of course I’m working off the 3,038 number with my reduction of 569, getting to 2,469, not the 3,738 number. CHAIR HANSSEN: The 3,738 number as per the Staff Report on page five versus page six, they parse that out between what’s beyond the current Housing Element and what’s in the current Housing Element timeline. VICE CHAIR BARNETT: I think that’s realistic. CHAIR HANSSEN: Can you reiterate for everybody that might not have that page open what the components were of the reductions that you were recommending? VICE CHAIR BARNETT: Yes. The Low-Density, I was proposing all 279; Medium-Density reduction was 165; the Community Commercial to Neighborhood Commercial was 58; and the Central Business District was 67; so that’s a 50% reduction in the Medium-Density and the Central Business District and 100% in the Low-Density. CHAIR HANSSEN: What was the last one? You said 58 in Community Commercial to Neighborhood Commercial, and then what was the last one? VICE CHAIR BARNETT: Central Business District. CHAIR HANSSEN: And how much was that? VICE CHAIR BARNETT: Half of the total, 67. LOS GATOS PLANNING COMMISSION 4/27/2022 Item #4, Draft 2040 General Plan and Final Environmental Impact Report 65 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 CHAIR HANSSEN: All right, good. That helps to not have every page open at the same time. COMMISSIONER JANOFF: Through the Chair, can I ask a clarifying question? Vice Chair Barnett, you’re recommending a reduction of 165 Medium-Density Residential units over what I’m looking at Table 3-1 in the General Plan, and there’s a total of approximately 570 units in the Medium-Density. You’re proposing to keep the balance of that number but just reduce it a little bit? And I actually had the same question, again looking at Table 3-1 in the Draft General Plan. The Low- Density Residential total number is 283 plus 84, which would bring us to about 367. I’m not sure what table you might be looking at, but that’s my reference in terms of the numbers proposed in the current Draft General Plan that we would be reducing from. JENNIFER ARMER: Through the Chair, if I may? CHAIR HANSSEN: Go ahead. JENNIFER ARMER: Commissioner Janoff, I recommend you also take a look at page six of the Staff Report from April 13th. I believe that some of the numbers that are proposed for reduction are from that list of potential reductions laid out by Staff in response to previous input. LOS GATOS PLANNING COMMISSION 4/27/2022 Item #4, Draft 2040 General Plan and Final Environmental Impact Report 66 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 One of those, the 279, is the reduction in housing if the Low-Density housing designation were to revert back to the density allowed in the current 2020 General Plan, and then it appears that the 165 unit reduction for the Medium-Density Residential designation that’s proposed by Vice Chair Barnett is half of the reduction, basically going halfway down to what is currently allowed in the 2020 General Plan, because bullet number two on page six of that Staff Report talks about reverting the Medium-Density housing designation to the existing 2020 General Plan level, and that that would be a reduction in 327 units. The Director has something to add too. VICE CHAIR BARNETT: That’s correct what you’re referring to. JOEL PAULSON: Through the Chair, I think it’s important for the Commission to understand that the numbers that are in the Staff Report and that Vice Chair Barnett is using, that’s the delta between the existing General Plan and the proposed General Plan, so that’s why it’s not coming up with the numbers. Commissioner Janoff, you’re looking at the new, and that’s why they’re not jiving. JENNIFER ARMER: So there would be some development. LOS GATOS PLANNING COMMISSION 4/27/2022 Item #4, Draft 2040 General Plan and Final Environmental Impact Report 67 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 COMMISSIONER JANOFF: Right, the numbers wouldn’t be zero for Low-Density, or 165. Well, it might be 165, but it wouldn't be zero for Low-Density is what I’m hearing. JENNIFER ARMER: Correct, because there is still, even with the current density, some capacity for growth and redevelopment. CHAIR HANSSEN: Can I ask a question on what was said though? I’m looking at Table 3-1. Let’s take Low- Density Residential. It talks about the proposed new density range, and then with the assumed redevelopment rate it’s 84 units for Low-Density Residential, but if we reverted to the existing 2020 levels in the Staff Report as described on page six, it would be 279 units. Why would it be 279 units versus 84? JENNIFER ARMER: Thank you for that question. The new housing from the Low-Density Residential is actually 283 on vacant land plus 84 for redevelopment. So those two columns actually get combined to give you how much additional housing would be estimated within the Low- Density Residential designations. CHAIR HANSSEN: Yes, of course. I should have had my glasses on when I was looking at that. JENNIFER ARMER: It’s a lot of numbers. LOS GATOS PLANNING COMMISSION 4/27/2022 Item #4, Draft 2040 General Plan and Final Environmental Impact Report 68 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 CHAIR HANSSEN: But it’s still not the same, because 283 plus 84 is well over 300, and then 279 is less than that. JENNIFER ARMER: Right, and so 279, if we had Table 3-1 and we put in put in appropriate assumptions based on the current density for the current 2020 General Plan, those numbers in the columns would not be zero. There would be some redevelopment and there would be some new units on vacant land. It would be less than what is here, because the densities would be lower, the redevelopment assumptions would be lower because of those lower densities, so what we put in the Staff Report for some of the designations is what’s that delta? We worked with the consultant to figure out what would those numbers be if we kept it at the 2020 General Plan, and we said what’s the change? So if you revert back to the 2020 General Plan you don’t remove all of the 283 plus 84 units; it’s a portion of that. CHAIR HANSSEN: I see. That makes perfect sense. Thank you for explaining that. Director Paulson. JOEL PAULSON: Just another way to think about it, I think Vice Chair Barnett is looking at roughly half of what is allowed in the proposed General Plan. Currently LOS GATOS PLANNING COMMISSION 4/27/2022 Item #4, Draft 2040 General Plan and Final Environmental Impact Report 69 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 the maximum density in the Medium-Density is 12, the proposed is 24, so if you split that in half you end up—and we’d have to run the numbers—but the maximum would come down from 24 to 18, because the difference between 12 and 24 is 12, and you cut it in half, so it would probably be around 18, if not 18.7. So that’s how you could think about some of these numbers where it’s half, whether it’s this proposal or some other proposal that might have a different ratio, but this one happens to be half. CHAIR HANSSEN: Thank you for that. That helps, because you have to kind of think through the whole problem. Vice Chair Barnett and then Commissioner Thomas. VICE CHAIR BARNETT: I just wanted to say that I was looking at the reduction numbers on page 184 and I did play with the Medium-Density Residential figure and figured it 8 to 18 instead of 14 to 24, just as an example. CHAIR HANSSEN: Thank you for that. Commissioner Thomas. COMMISSIONER THOMAS: Thank you for the clarification about the reduction and everything. I think that I understand the argument that higher density does not automatically equal lower income, but it does allow for LOS GATOS PLANNING COMMISSION 4/27/2022 Item #4, Draft 2040 General Plan and Final Environmental Impact Report 70 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 that possibility, and not including higher density is going to make lower income housing less likely to happen. I know that there's been a lot of talk with the GPAC. I know the GPAC, before I joined, talked a lot about how all the Town has to absorb this new growth, like we all have to be responsible for it, and we all have to be responsible for trying to increase low-income housing throughout Town and affordable housing throughout Town, and I completely understand that we could do everything in the world and housing is still going to be expensive in Los Gatos, but we’re definitely guaranteeing that we’re not going to improve access to affordable housing if we don’t increase our densities in certain areas, so I personally don’t feel that the argument that higher density doesn’t automatically equal more affordable housing or low-income housing is a reason that we shouldn’t increase densities. CHAIR HANSSEN: Thank you for that. Commissioner Clark. COMMISSIONER CLARK: I’m just going to quickly tack onto what Commissioner Thomas just said. I completely agree. I think even though a fourplex existing doesn’t mean that the units will be completely affordable. Naturally, smaller units cost less, and so it will be more affordable than other housing and I think we really can count on that, LOS GATOS PLANNING COMMISSION 4/27/2022 Item #4, Draft 2040 General Plan and Final Environmental Impact Report 71 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 and I really agree with what she said that it’s everyone’s responsibility, it’s every designation’s responsibility. Just because you live in a single-family neighborhood shouldn’t mean that you’re completely immune to these changes, and I really feel like the purpose of the kind of housing that this would allow, like fourplexes and triplexes and things like that, is that it blends in with the neighborhood, and I think that once there are a few around people will see that they’re not so scary and that they can make a valuable contribution to a neighborhood, and so I really think that we should reframe how we’re thinking about them. I think that they kind of guarantee more affordability compared to a large single-family home. CHAIR HANSSEN: Thank you for that, Commissioner Clark. Commissioner Janoff. COMMISSIONER JANOFF: Thank you. I see the appeal of reducing the Low-Density designation. It seems to be popular among those who are most concerned, and I can understand that, and there has also been discussion that that designation isn’t likely to generate as much housing, period, let alone affordable housing. But the reason I’m having trouble with reverting back to the 2020 numbers is precisely what Staff said, and LOS GATOS PLANNING COMMISSION 4/27/2022 Item #4, Draft 2040 General Plan and Final Environmental Impact Report 72 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 that is that we lose the missing middle. I can’t express to you how long and deeply the GPAC discussed missing middle and how important those concepts are in ensuring that the visual character of the Town is maintained, the transitions between single-story and two-story. The transitions in different areas between Low-Density and Medium-Density are really accomplished most beautifully by the missing middle concept, and it’s a very, very important concept that I personally would have a lot of trouble just throwing completely out, and if that’s the effect of reverting back to the 2020 General Plan density for Low-Density, I would not be in favor. The change in the Medium-Density, maybe, but again, there are unintended consequences of messing around with the numbers and I think we run the risk of throwing something that’s really important completely out. I guess relative to Vice Chair Barnett, I would agree that the Community Commercial or Neighborhood Commercial could be reduced. The Office and Service Commercial, which is 313 units, maybe that could be reduced, but I’m really concerned about losing the opportunity in High-Density and many units of affordable housing aside, we heard a lot of feedback from the community about how we didn’t want to ruin the visual look LOS GATOS PLANNING COMMISSION 4/27/2022 Item #4, Draft 2040 General Plan and Final Environmental Impact Report 73 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 of Los Gatos, and the missing middle really gives us more control over how that is going to be affected than anything, and if we think about missing middle as being a better for the Town alternative in terms of retaining Town charm and Town character then SB 9 simple lot splits, which could just be ugly boxes and we have no discretion whatsoever over how those look as long as they meet building codes, so I think we lose something extremely valuable in the ability to hold onto or control the character of our Town when we throw out the missing middle, so I would not be in favor of changing the density in the Low-Density back to 2020 numbers. CHAIR HANSSEN: Thank you for that, Commissioner Janoff. Back to Commissioner Thomas. COMMISSIONER THOMAS: I just really wanted to echo what Commissioner Janoff just said, because I do think that missing middle is the key to maintaining our Town character, which in addition to the traffic and other infrastructure concerns I know is a huge concern of residents in Town and it is something that is really important to a lot of people that live here, and I do think that if we can build visually appealing structures in Low- and Medium-Residential areas right now to accommodate for our growth, we’re going to avoid having to go back and LOS GATOS PLANNING COMMISSION 4/27/2022 Item #4, Draft 2040 General Plan and Final Environmental Impact Report 74 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 change like the heights so that we’re building a ton of concentrated housing on Los Gatos Boulevard. And I know other communities have had this struggle in the past. I know up in San Mateo that they have made decisions to keep their Low-Density Residential densities lower, and then a lot of their growth has been concentrated in areas and gone really upward, because that’s the only way that they can build more housing, and then people have been really unhappy with that in the area too. So I do really think that missing middle, I know it was discussed a lot before I was on the GPAC, but I do know that it was definitely a priority and there was a lot of thought put into that with the whole entire General Plan, and I do think that it’s something that is particularly helpful here in Town that we’re truly missing for our specific residents and future residents. CHAIR HANSSEN: Thank you for that. Before I take additional comments I wanted to ask Staff a question. We haven’t completed the process of the objective standards, but Vice Chair Barnett and I and former- Commissioner Burch had worked on where we could go with the objective standards and the consultants have taken it to the community, but supposing that we stay with the existing LOS GATOS PLANNING COMMISSION 4/27/2022 Item #4, Draft 2040 General Plan and Final Environmental Impact Report 75 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 proposed densities in the Draft 2040 General Plan, what tools do we have in Town to make sure that the vision we have describing the General Plan doesn’t change the character of neighborhoods? Because I know people are really panicked, everyone’s neighborhood, but for instance historic neighborhoods and whatnot. What tools do we have to enforce the idea of the missing middle? JENNIFER ARMER: Thank you. I would say that yes, we are working on objective standards. We’re going to the community for a community meeting with a list of draft standards based on the work that you discussed. That’s going to be on May 12th to get input on that, and once we do get further input, that will be proceeding to Planning Commission and Town Council. That is really targeted at the Medium-Density Residential and High-Density Residential and Mixed-Use projects rather than these duplex type projects that go through the SB 9 process. When we do work towards a permanent ordinance for the SB 9 type projects, that will include, as it did with the interim ordinance, some objective standards there as well, but for a lot of those smaller projects we don’t have a whole lot of objective standards that apply to them. It does look like Director Paulson has something else to add as well. LOS GATOS PLANNING COMMISSION 4/27/2022 Item #4, Draft 2040 General Plan and Final Environmental Impact Report 76 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 JOEL PAULSON: Thank you. Just briefly to try to differentiate from a control perspective SB 9 versus missing middle. Missing middle, we would be using the controls of the underlying zone, so setbacks, height, coverage, that’s where you get to what a lot of you have been talking about where you get the potential form of a single-family house but maybe it has three or four units in it, so you still have those controls from a zoning perspective. Now, there could be some consideration after the General Plan gets adopted to modify some of those, maybe allow an additional 5’ or a little bit more FAR like we do for ADUs, because we know we’re having more units, whereas SB 9, a lot of those controls are gone, so the side and rear setbacks are 4’. Our lowest side setback for a residential building, and I’ll use the R-1:D, which is happens to be Medium-Density Residential, is 5’, so it’s those types of things where a lot of the provisions of SB 9 give way more flexibility to whoever is developing those, and so that’s where that control comes in. The other is obviously SB 9 is going to be tied to objective standards, so when we’re doing the ordinance we may want to look at that as a separate document. As Ms. Armer mentioned, the current objective standards really are LOS GATOS PLANNING COMMISSION 4/27/2022 Item #4, Draft 2040 General Plan and Final Environmental Impact Report 77 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 Mixed-Use and Multi-Family, so that’s something to use as you’re thinking about this from a control perspective; that’s the simplest distinction I can make at this point. CHAIR HANSSEN: I think that’s fine. And we do have Residential Design Guidelines, and if you’re really trying to make a duplex in the same form factor as a single-family home, then the Residential Design Guidelines will apply as well. Commissioner Clark and then Vice Chair Barnett. COMMISSIONER CLARK: I just want to say that I think we’re seeing that it’s risky when you start to play with the numbers, and I think what this is really all about is opportunities and the number of opportunities that we are providing, and I would hate to see us have to choose what density we’re reducing in order to lower the numbers just because we want to lower the numbers, and then miss out on some opportunities that we could have had otherwise. I just want to emphasize that we need a bigger number, because these units can’t all get built. It’s not going to be like we allow for all of this development and developers all come in, but I think that we need to make sure that we’re providing options and that we’re not limiting ourselves, which I just think that we do start to LOS GATOS PLANNING COMMISSION 4/27/2022 Item #4, Draft 2040 General Plan and Final Environmental Impact Report 78 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 do that when we start moving around the numbers like that and kind of having to choose where that happens. CHAIR HANSSEN: Thank you for that, Commissioner Clark. Vice Chair Barnett. VICE CHAIR BARNETT: I just wanted to point out that in my proposal there would be missing middle in the Medium-Density Residential zone for area in that designation, and again, I’m harping back on what I’ve said before, but the ADUs and the SB 9 units will add density to the Low-Density Residential designation as well. One concern I had with the 3,738 number, the lower number, is how are we achieving that? Is it possible to realistically and reasonably project what the housing is going to be in the seventh and eighth RHNA allocations? I think that the number is somewhat arbitrary and it makes more sense to focus on what we have and then to adjust as we go forward, although I recognize there will be some small inconvenience in amending the General Plan at possibly two different cycles downstream, but it seems to me that’s the more responsible approach rather than going into this with some speculative numbers. Thank you. CHAIR HANSSEN: Thank you for that, Vice Chair Barnett. Director Paulson has something to say, and then I’ll go to Commissioner Thomas. LOS GATOS PLANNING COMMISSION 4/27/2022 Item #4, Draft 2040 General Plan and Final Environmental Impact Report 79 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 JOEL PAULSON: Thank you, Chair. I just wanted to pull back a little on how we started this conversation, which was maybe you should have a conversation or ask the question of does the majority of the Commission think we should reduce the number or not, because if the majority thinks we should reduce the number, then we can get into all the which designations and how much it should be reduced, so I would say going back to where I think Commissioner Thomas started, that’s where we’re going to start. Then we got to the elements outside of 20, but we were still going to come back to that conversation of should the numbers be reduced from what’s currently proposed if there’s a motion to that effect, and see where that does, and then that will help inform this continued conversation and think about what, if any, modifications should be done. CHAIR HANSSEN: Well, that’s how I started at the very beginning, and then I think a lot of the Commissioners had a lot to say and there has been a lot of very good discussion. Here’s a suggestion. I think that if I had to read where everyone was at I’m going to say that we have two Commissioners that are in the same place with Vice LOS GATOS PLANNING COMMISSION 4/27/2022 Item #4, Draft 2040 General Plan and Final Environmental Impact Report 80 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 Chair Barnett’s suggestion that was submitted in writing, we have two Commissioners that are firmly convinced that we should stay with the numbers already proposed in the 2040 General Plan, and then Commissioner Janoff and I are somewhere in the middle I think is where I would characterize us. Then the question should be whether or not we reduce it at all, and then we can see if there’s consensus about that if we can get agreement on what the number is, although I suspect that the people who wanted to keep the number the same would not be comfortable with any changes that got made, but nonetheless we have to come to a decision. I have comments from Vice Chair Barnett, and then from Commissioner Thomas. VICE CHAIR BARNETT: I just want to say that I agree with the approach from the Chair. CHAIR HANSSEN: All right. Commissioner Thomas. COMMISSIONER THOMAS: I think that it’s really important for us to try to maintain local say and control over what housing gets developed in Low-Density Residential, and if we don’t increase the density and the only option is the SB 9 route, and we don’t have any control over that, I think residents are going to be not LOS GATOS PLANNING COMMISSION 4/27/2022 Item #4, Draft 2040 General Plan and Final Environmental Impact Report 81 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 happy with our decision, and so that makes me really nervous about reverting back to the current General Plan’s density, especially for Low-Density Residential, because I think that we want to keep the option open that people have the opportunity to increase density with input from neighbors and the Town and everything, so I feel that way. I kind of feel like from Director Paulson, I don't know if I need to make a motion. I’m fine with my motion failing if it does. I can make a motion, but do we need to continue to discuss options? I’m not entirely sure what to do moving forward. CHAIR HANSSEN: I think that the Staff did make the recommendation that we should see if we can’t get some resolution on reduce yes or reduce no, and then we could talk about how. I can tell you for me, personally, I would be very uncomfortable about reverting to the 2020 General Plan densities in any category, honestly, because I think that we’re going to have unintended consequences. When I looked at the proposed site inventory for the Housing Element, something like 70-80% of the sites are on Los Gatos Boulevard, and while that makes a lot of sense from so many dimensions, because we can put more High- LOS GATOS PLANNING COMMISSION 4/27/2022 Item #4, Draft 2040 General Plan and Final Environmental Impact Report 82 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 Density and Mixed-Use housing there, it’s close to Commercial, all those things. But it has the unintended consequence of if it all gets built there, if you think the traffic is really bad now, and Los Gatos Boulevard is one of the places where the traffic is the worst, how much worse is it going to get? What if there are several hundred units spread throughout the Town, through all of our single-family neighborhoods, that’s going to be incrementally way, way less traffic for everyone and it won’t be felt at all. So while I’m not in one side or the other in terms of where I come out, I wouldn’t be comfortable with going to zero change in any zone. Commissioner Janoff. COMMISSIONER JANOFF: As the other person who is sort of in the middle here, I’m going to make a recommendation that we start with the 2,262, which is the current RHNA cycle, and we add to that two cycles of 600 units which are commensurate with the previous RHNA cycles, so we have some history around why that might be. That gets me to a total of 3,462 units. If I subtract that number from the 3,782, that is the total proposed in the current Draft General Plan, the difference is 320. LOS GATOS PLANNING COMMISSION 4/27/2022 Item #4, Draft 2040 General Plan and Final Environmental Impact Report 83 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 My proposal then would be to remove housing from Office and Service Commercial designations, which is 313 units. That would be my recommendation. So we’re coming down off the 3,782, we’re recognizing that we’re going to get something in the next two RHNA cycles, possibly not as much as what we’ve had this cycle, and then my question to Staff was are there any unintended consequences of removing housing from Office and Service Commercial that would make that less than a desirable option? But that would be my proposal. CHAIR HANSSEN: Commissioner Thomas really wanted to say something. COMMISSIONER THOMAS: You’re saying 3,782, but I think it’s 3,738, right? COMMISSIONER JANOFF: Yes, thank you. COMMISSIONER THOMAS: Okay. I just wanted to make sure before you wrote down any firm math. CHAIR HANSSEN: And the RHNA plus the 15% buffer I believe is 2,292. COMMISSIONER JANOFF: 2,292. I’ve got a lot of little errors in my math, but if you guys get the idea where I’m (inaudible). CHAIR HANSSEN: We totally get it. LOS GATOS PLANNING COMMISSION 4/27/2022 Item #4, Draft 2040 General Plan and Final Environmental Impact Report 84 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 COMMISSIONER JANOFF: So we need to find a few more units if this seems like an acceptable approach, but I’d be interested in hearing from Staff. I’m so concerned about the missing middle loss that I don’t want to go there. These are new housing opportunities for us and in general these were planned, these came up during GPAC. I said what if we added these here? It might be beneficial to the people who work in these sorts of environments, but we also had some concern about then becoming only housing. CHAIR HANSSEN: It was the last thing that we added out of everything that we discussed. COMMISSIONER JANOFF: Yes. CHAIR HANSSEN: And so that’s where I had started, but go ahead, Staff. JOEL PAULSON: Thank you. The only unintended consequence I see we don’t see it very often. I can’t recall any in the Office, but technically someone could propose a Mixed-Use Office project, and so that would be the only one, but that obviously also is the largest number between Office… The Service Commercial is kind of light industrial, which was a new one for sure, but that was only 54 units, I think. So that’s the only unintended consequence I could see. The other is the Office is spread around Town, so you have the option for that disbursement LOS GATOS PLANNING COMMISSION 4/27/2022 Item #4, Draft 2040 General Plan and Final Environmental Impact Report 85 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 as well, given what everyone has been talking about tonight. So off the top of my head those are the couple of things from a consideration perspective I’d like the Commission to think about. CHAIR HANSSEN: But let me go back to what I asked earlier though. If there are Office properties that are currently in a Mixed-Use General Plan designation, they can add housing, right? JENNIFER ARMER: That’s correct. For example, the new office building that’s being constructed that was approved a few years ago on Alberto Way, that actually is the Highway Commercial designation, and so anything in that zone can be office. It also can be Mixed-Use, Office and Residential, or other Mixed-Use. CHAIR HANSSEN: Where I was going with that is that by removing that designation where it’s just Office or just Service Commercial, we’re not eliminating the possibility of Mixed-Use using Office. JENNIFER ARMER: Correct. CHAIR HANSSEN: But it would have to already be in a designation where Mixed-Use with Residential were permitted along with Office? LOS GATOS PLANNING COMMISSION 4/27/2022 Item #4, Draft 2040 General Plan and Final Environmental Impact Report 86 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 JENNIFER ARMER: Correct. It’s just eliminating Mixed-Use from those that are actually designated with the Office land use designation. CHAIR HANSSEN: Yes. Okay, got it. So was that a proposal, Commissioner Janoff? It was sort of heading towards a motion. COMMISSIONER JANOFF: I’d be happy to call that a motion if somebody has the correct numbers. COMMISSIONER THOMAS: Can you read the numbers one more time so that we know them? COMMISSIONER JANOFF: All right. Let me use the correct numbers. We’re at 2,292 for the current RHNA cycle, plus 600 for the next RHNA cycle, and 600 for the third RHNA cycle. It adds 1,200 units to that. However, if you want to be really precise, we only have a fraction of the third RHNA cycle. We could change that third 600 down to, I think, 200 if you wanted to do that, so adding, let’s say, 800 units, 600 and 200, then we’re at 3,092. And then we subtract that from the 3,738. So if somebody wants to do that math, that comes out to about 720 units or so. CHAIR HANSSEN: I’m just going to have you hold for a second, because the Town Manager just turned her camera on, but then I’m going to give you back the floor, Commissioner Janoff. LOS GATOS PLANNING COMMISSION 4/27/2022 Item #4, Draft 2040 General Plan and Final Environmental Impact Report 87 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 LAUREL PREVETTI: I just want to make sure that the motion includes the totality of what you’re recommendation a few minutes ago was, that in order to get to that reduced number you were proposing that we remove housing from Office and Service Commercial on the order of the 313 units, and that might be a simpler way of explaining the net effect. Just a suggestion. COMMISSIONER JANOFF: Through the Chair for the Town Manager. Is it reasonable to reduce that third RHNA cycle number from 600 if we only have a partial RHNA cycle to accommodate under this Draft General Plan? LAUREL PREVETTI: I think the real exercise is what total capacity would you like to see in the 2040 General Plan, and I think it is useful, as we were talking earlier this evening to explain that we’re trying to not only accommodate the current RHNA but also future RHNA. I think it might be simpler to just really focus on that the idea is that we need capacity for missing middle based on the conversation that the Commission is interested in more Mixed-Use opportunities. However, in the interest of trying to protect Service Commercial and some of these other needs that we have in the Town, that really what we’re talking about is a net decrease of the 313. LOS GATOS PLANNING COMMISSION 4/27/2022 Item #4, Draft 2040 General Plan and Final Environmental Impact Report 88 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 And again, we can provide the context as discussed earlier, but I think simplifying the motion might be easier as we continue to move forward in the process. Again, that’s just a suggestion based on the very nice recommendation you made just a few minutes ago. CHAIR HANSSEN: I understood all that, so question for Commissioner Janoff. If I’m going by where the Town Manager is going with this, which is we should really be thinking of what is the overall capacity that we have, and based on the Draft 2040 General Plan we have 3,738 as the reasonable growth during that timeframe given the densities that are proposed, and if we take 313 off the table, then that only gets us down to 3,400-and-something, right? COMMISSIONER JANOFF: Which is where I’m prepared to stop. CHAIR HANSSEN: That is actually where you first stated talking, and if you look at what makes up that number, 300 units of that is ADUs that are not going to be built until after 2031, so in terms of more current housing, that number is going to be likely under 3,000. Let’s see, we have comments or questions from Commissioner Clark and then Commissioner Thomas. LOS GATOS PLANNING COMMISSION 4/27/2022 Item #4, Draft 2040 General Plan and Final Environmental Impact Report 89 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 COMMISSIONER CLARK: I do just want to clarify, so now we’re talking about subtracting 313 units from the 3,738 original number, which would give us 3,425 is the number. CHAIR HANSSEN: Okay. And then Commissioner Thomas, did you have a question or a comment? COMMISSIONER THOMAS: My question is that I think we need to follow up with where those numbers would come from, if that’s what I’m hearing from the Town Manager, that we need to make sure that we’re reducing that 300 from a specific place, and I’m only seeing 259 in Office Professional, so that’s a little bit confusing to me, or I’m not following something. CHAIR HANSSEN: If you look on page six of the Staff Report, at the bottom it says, “These are some options to reduce,” and it says if we remove housing from Office and Service Commercial it equates to 313 units. What’s behind that is they would be changing the densities, and I think it’s also a permitted use then for that category. COMMISSIONER THOMAS: Oh, because it’s Office and Service Commercial combined? CHAIR HANSSEN: Yes. COMMISSIONER THOMAS: Fifty-nine plus 54, got it. LOS GATOS PLANNING COMMISSION 4/27/2022 Item #4, Draft 2040 General Plan and Final Environmental Impact Report 90 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 CHAIR HANSSEN: I don't know if you remember when we discussed it at GPAC, but we all knew that Service Commercial is going to be a lot smaller, because we’re talking about like a unit above an auto repair shop. COMMISSIONER THOMAS: I get it. I just was like I thought you were only referring to Office Professional, and I was like wait, but it’s Office and Service Commercial. Okay, now I understand that. My concern with this is that I think that most of the feedback and input from the community that we have gotten is that people don’t want growth and development in Low-Density and Medium-Density Residential areas, and so now we’re just taking off the table development in other areas just to appease and make the number seem lower, and I feel like we’re just taking away options for developers. I mean, I truly commend Commissioner Janoff for trying to get us to a consensus, but I just fear that the fear is coming from those other neighborhoods. COMMISSIONER JANOFF: Let me elaborate a little bit. As we look back over the course of the meetings and information that we’ve received from developers in particular, we’ve heard a lot of input that this particular format is an unlikely format to build, that office builders build office, and home builders build homes, and putting LOS GATOS PLANNING COMMISSION 4/27/2022 Item #4, Draft 2040 General Plan and Final Environmental Impact Report 91 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 the two together may be a laudatory vision, but it’s an unlikely thing to happen. So realistically, looking at what developers would be interested in building, I think this is a very unlikely format. I could be wrong, but if that’s the case and removing it doesn’t affect any of the really special things that GPAC wanted to do to incorporate real beautiful change into the community, this doesn’t really impact that vision, so that’s my thinking behind it, and thank you for asking. CHAIR HANSSEN: Director Paulson. JOEL PAULSON: Thank you. I think Town Manager Prevetti may have some input. CHAIR HANSSEN: Yes, go ahead, Ms. Prevetti. LAUREL PREVETTI: Thank you. I just wanted to clarify, I think we have a motion on the floor and typically we need a second before discussing it. CHAIR HANSSEN: Actually, you are correct about that and I was remiss because so many hands came up. So can we get a second for Commissioner Janoff’s motion? Commissioner Clark. COMMISSIONER CLARK: I second. LOS GATOS PLANNING COMMISSION 4/27/2022 Item #4, Draft 2040 General Plan and Final Environmental Impact Report 92 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 CHAIR HANSSEN: Okay, so we do have a second, so we can continue the discussion before voting, and thank you for remind us of that. Commissioner Clark, did you want to comment? COMMISSIONER CLARK: Yes, thank you. I just want to jump off of what Commissioner Janoff was saying about the reasoning behind this, and I think something else we’ve discussed a lot tonight is everybody needs to do their part, and so to me it’s if we do want to be a little less ambitious and build a little less housing, I want to do that in a way that doesn’t alleviate anyone of playing some sort of role in this, because we need to do this as an entire community, so I think that, along with it not being as realistic of an option for developers, to me makes it the best way that we can reduce our numbers. CHAIR HANSSEN: Thank you for that. I would comment that I like where this is going, and that my first thought when we were thinking about these exercises is that especially since the GPAC added that at the very end and it didn’t seem essential, and then since we’ve gotten the additional feedback from developers it doesn’t seem like it’s that feasible. We kind of have a good idea about ADUs, but because of the uncertainty of where SB 9 will go, it would LOS GATOS PLANNING COMMISSION 4/27/2022 Item #4, Draft 2040 General Plan and Final Environmental Impact Report 93 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 be my preference. I could get comfortable with where we are. It would be my preference to take something off the table in Low-Density Residential, but not all of it. But that might not be enough for me to not vote…to go with the motion that Commissioner Janoff presented. I don't know if other people have thoughts about that. Commissioner Janoff. COMMISSIONER JANOFF: Question for Staff. Is it possible to reduce the density in Low-Density and still get missing middle, and if so, what would that look like? JENNIFER ARMER: There is probably some room to reduce it somewhat, but my understanding is if it went below ten dwelling units per acre, then that really would eliminate the possibility of missing middle housing. I believe that’s what we’ve discussed previously. CHAIR HANSSEN: I know we talked about this earlier, that if we were going to go in this direction that you wouldn’t automatically be able to spew out what would the number be with that change in density, but I’m sure if we took it to ten it would be less than 279. JENNIFER ARMER: Correct. CHAIR HANSSEN: But we don’t know how much less, so that’s the uncertainty of this process, but we could go down that path and in theory, I guess, but if we don’t know LOS GATOS PLANNING COMMISSION 4/27/2022 Item #4, Draft 2040 General Plan and Final Environmental Impact Report 94 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 what numbers it gives us, it kind of makes it hard, but I would be agreeing with Commissioner Janoff that I wouldn't want to do anything that would take away the possibility of missing middle housing, because I think that really is essential to creating balance in the community, but if it was possible to bring it down a little bit, I think that makes a lot sense, and that would take away some of the uncertainty with where we don’t know where SB 9 is going to go. Commissioner Janoff. COMMISSIONER JANOFF: Thank you. Even though I started the motion by talking about numbers, I think at this point we should depart from that conversation and give Staff the guidance. I’d be willing to modify the motion or add to the motion that we consider reducing the density in Low-Density and Medium-Density to a number that still supports missing middle but lowers the numbers. It may be a small number, but if that makes sense to do so, I don’t need to know what that number is. Staff can take that into consideration and then run the numbers and include that as part of the illustration of how the numbers come down, but I would be willing to do that. The numbers themselves are kind of general, but if we can get more specific reductions LOS GATOS PLANNING COMMISSION 4/27/2022 Item #4, Draft 2040 General Plan and Final Environmental Impact Report 95 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 in density without losing the benefits that the GPAC has put forward, I would say that is a reasonable inclusion. CHAIR HANSSEN: Thank you for that. Let’s see, I think it was Commissioner Clark and then Commissioner Thomas. COMMISSIONER CLARK: I think it was Commissioner Thomas first. CHAIR HANSSEN: Oh, thank you for that. Actually, Director Paulson has his hand up, so I just want to make sure we capture Staff’s comments before we continue to deliberate on this. JOEL PAULSON: Since Commissioner Clark was the seconder; she would need to accept that amendment. COMMISSIONER CLARK: Yes, I accept that amendment. Actually, can I ask you a question about it, or do I need to second it before I can ask a question? JENNIFER ARMER: You can ask a clarifying question. CHAIR HANSSEN: Yeah, I think you can ask a question. COMMISSIONER CLARK: I just want to clarify, like I want to make sure that we’re on the same page about what it would mean to still allow missing middle. I think we need to be really clear about that. For me, it would be all LOS GATOS PLANNING COMMISSION 4/27/2022 Item #4, Draft 2040 General Plan and Final Environmental Impact Report 96 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 the way up to fourplexes, because I think that those are able to very well fit the structure of a single-family home and that they don’t look very different from triplexes and stuff, but they’re still affordable, and so would that be what we consider? COMMISSIONER JANOFF: I think missing middle to me means whatever number of units is proposed. It doesn’t have to be up to a limit, I don’t think, but I would certainly be in support of fourplexes, or five or sixes. CHAIR HANSSEN: I was going to say, Commissioner Clark, and Staff would probably explain it better than me, but if you’re looking at, let’s just say, the hearing we had earlier to day, the 6,800 square foot lot, you’d have to do the math and figure out if you’re doing ten dwelling units maximum per acre, then what percentage of an acre that is, and so if it’s ten, it depends on the size of the lot whether you could get four units, if that makes sense. COMMISSIONER CLARK: Okay, I do see what you mean. CHAIR HANSSEN: And so it wouldn’t unilaterally be true that… Even with 12 dwelling units per acre, I’m not sure if you could do a fourplex on every single lot, but maybe Staff would a better way to talk through that. Director Paulson has his hand up. LOS GATOS PLANNING COMMISSION 4/27/2022 Item #4, Draft 2040 General Plan and Final Environmental Impact Report 97 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 JOEL PAULSON: Thank you, Chair. I was just going to comment to Commissioner Clark’s thought on if we’re trying to get four to allow four units at ten dwelling units per acre, for instance, you need more than a 15,000 square foot lot, and if you’re talking about, let’s say, eight units as a max, then you’re looking somewhere around approximately 20,000 square feet in lot size to accomplish that. COMMISSIONER CLARK: Thank you. I just want to make sure we’re providing the right amount of direction, if that makes sense, so understanding what it means to slightly reduce the number. I don't know if we are being clear enough about that. I also do trust Staff and they have all the context of this conversation. CHAIR HANSSEN: Director Paulson. JOEL PAULSON: Thank you. Commissioner Janoff and Commissioner Clark can correct me if I’m wrong, but I would envision how Staff would carry this forward to Council is that there was a desire to have some reduction of the maximum density for Low-Density Residential, and so ultimately we would provide a couple of options or scenarios like I just mentioned, but we check those numbers to see what the exact number is from a lot size to get to the four units to make sure that what’s the minimum lot LOS GATOS PLANNING COMMISSION 4/27/2022 Item #4, Draft 2040 General Plan and Final Environmental Impact Report 98 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 size that’s required to allow four units. So that would be one way we would carry it forward to the Council for their consideration. COMMISSIONER CLARK: Okay, thank you. CHAIR HANSSEN: Then the other question that we wish we knew the answer to is out of all our Low-Density Residential, how many lots are there at that size? Because we do have a fair number of lots that are like 8,000 square feet. I don’t expect Staff to have the answer to that, and they won’t in tonight’s meeting, but that would be important information to know to increase the comfort level with making that decision, the recommendation. I’ll go back to Commissioner Clark, and then I don't know between Commissioner Janoff and Commissioner Thomas who was first, but they both have their hands up. COMMISSIONER CLARK: Thank you, and yes, I see Commissioner Janoff has her hand up. I’m curious to hear what you’ll think about this, but I feel like reducing the number in Low-Density Residential is not doing what we want it to do, because where the number is only really allows up to missing middle, and so reducing the number will just reduce the number of missing middle housing, so if we do feel like we need to reduce it, I would rather go up one level or something, and especially just because we don’t LOS GATOS PLANNING COMMISSION 4/27/2022 Item #4, Draft 2040 General Plan and Final Environmental Impact Report 99 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 know how many lots it would affect, and you do need a relatively lot to do this. CHAIR HANSSEN: I hear you. Commissioner Janoff. COMMISSIONER JANOFF: Commissioner Clark, when you say you would like to go up one level, do you mean to do Medium-Density? COMMISSIONER CLARK: Yeah, like if we felt like we needed to do that, I’d be more comfortable in Medium- Density, although my preference would be to leave the motion as it originally was. COMMISSIONER JANOFF: My hand is up because I wanted to just clarify with Director Paulson that the interest is in reducing the density in Low-Density and Medium-Density as long as that reduction can still accommodate missing middle, and if it can’t, then I wouldn’t be in favor of making a reduction. JOEL PAULSON: Thank you for the clarification. Yes, it’s Low-Density and Medium-Density. I only gave the example for Low-Density. Medium-Density, right now the maximum is 24. Like we talked about before, if we cut it in half we’d still be at 18, so that would accommodate missing middle even on smaller lots than our Draft General Plan currently allows in Low-Density. COMMISSIONER JANOFF: Thank you. LOS GATOS PLANNING COMMISSION 4/27/2022 Item #4, Draft 2040 General Plan and Final Environmental Impact Report 100 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 CHAIR HANSSEN: I think it would be fine to proceed forward with that motion, since there is still some investigation to be done as long as the proviso is that we’re not eliminating missing middle, then the research can be done, and if it turns out that it doesn’t work for Low- Density Residential, then we should stay with the 2040 proposal as is, is kind of where I was thinking that would go. Ms. Armer. JENNIFER ARMER: Thank you. I wanted to ask whether the seconder had received enough clarification that they could accept the modification or not? COMMISSIONER CLARK: I’d like to ask one more clarifying question, and I think I’m just having a hard time grasping this, but to me it seems like reducing the density in Low-Density Residential only has the possibility of like reducing or eliminating missing middle, because I want to know pretty much at that density level what other types of properties there is the possibility of reducing, if that makes sense. COMMISSIONER JANOFF: I’m not if that’s a question to me, but the motion would be to reduce density only if it did not eliminate missing middle. LOS GATOS PLANNING COMMISSION 4/27/2022 Item #4, Draft 2040 General Plan and Final Environmental Impact Report 101 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 COMMISSIONER CLARK: And Staff, are you able to clarify if there are other types of properties that might be like not possible if you go from 12 to ten units per acre, for example? JENNIFER ARMER: In just taking a lot at some of the numbers, we have a lot of Low-Density Residential, for example, it’s 8,000 square foot lots, and even at the 12 units per acre, that’s only going to allow a duplex, the two units plus whatever ADUs, for example, so this modification wouldn’t necessarily change for that size of lot a whole lot of what would be allowed. It is really going to be on the slightly larger lots where there might be possibilities for triplexes or fourplexes, and we can provide some of that additional information, and that Planning Commission’s recommendation was only to do the modification to this Low-Density Residential designation if it doesn’t reduce or eliminate the possibility to missing middle housing. I think just based on looking at some of those numbers preliminarily that the reduction is more likely to be possible in the Medium-Density Residential designation rather than Low-Density Residential, but we can provide the qualitative motion from the Planning Commission and provide them some quantitative numbers that they can then consider LOS GATOS PLANNING COMMISSION 4/27/2022 Item #4, Draft 2040 General Plan and Final Environmental Impact Report 102 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 in determining whether to accept the recommendation from the Planning Commission or to do something different. COMMISSIONER CLARK: Thank you. Yeah, I think that that’s where my stipulation was. It feels like in the Low-Density Residential that wouldn’t really happen, but I also think because that’s in the motion then that would be okay, so I’m still comfortable seconding the motion. Thank you, everyone, for clarifying. CHAIR HANSSEN: No problem. Commissioner Thomas. COMMISSIONER THOMAS: I think that I am much more comfortable just reducing the overall number by 313 from the Office Professional and Service Commercial areas, because we know that those were added at the end for GPAC, those were like just bonus extra things that were added on at the end, and we know that that type of a development is going to be the most difficult for the Town to essentially incentivize, because it’s just not appealing to developers, so I would be much more comfortable reducing the number by 313 with those. I think that the only thing that we achieve with reducing the density in Low-Density Residential or Medium- Density Residential is making the SB 9 pathway more appealing, which again, doesn’t allow for as much local input and I think could actually upset people in those LOS GATOS PLANNING COMMISSION 4/27/2022 Item #4, Draft 2040 General Plan and Final Environmental Impact Report 103 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 neighborhoods. I wouldn’t want to reduce any potential housing opportunities that could go through Town. I want to make our options in Town more appealing than going the SB 9 route, if that makes sense, because I do think that that’s in the best interest of the community and neighbors that will be affected by any new development or redevelopment, so I’m not in favor of changing the densities, but I do understand and think that it’s a good compromise to knock those 313 units off from those two places. I think that that also gives a very clear recommendation to Town Council, and I’m afraid that if we say we can change the densities a little bit for Low- Density Residential and Medium-Density Residential and we forward that along to Town Council, it’s not quite as clear, and then that is a concern to me that we’re not going to really see the final number before we forward that, so that’s where I’m at with this motion. CHAIR HANSSEN: Based on us having a motion and a second, you would be a no vote. I would go ahead and count it before I go back to Commissioner Clark. Commissioner Clark and I both went to the recent Planning Commissioner Academy and they did a pretty extensive thing on SB 9, and what I remember them talking about was that it actually is really hard only with SB 9 to LOS GATOS PLANNING COMMISSION 4/27/2022 Item #4, Draft 2040 General Plan and Final Environmental Impact Report 104 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 get fourplex, because you would have to do it with a lot split, start with a lot split was my understanding of it, and so it would have to be supplemented by ordinances from towns that would help facilitate that, so it isn’t necessarily the panacea that everyone thought it was, and that’s why they’re not expecting the take up rate to be super high, because not everyone is going to want to do a lot split. But with that being said, we don’t know for sure, right? And so I understand your concern, but given that we have this motion on the table we should probably see that through and see if we can get enough votes and go from there, but Commissioner Clark, you wanted to comment and it’s fine to go ahead. COMMISSIONER CLARK: Can I ask a clarifying question about that? I mean, that makes me feel better if you think that it is going to not be as appealing to do a fourplex at that level through the SB 9 route. I hope that we’re all on the same page, that we want people to take the local Town route versus the SB 9 route as much as possible. I’m trying to ask you, Chair Hanssen, you’re not concerned that reducing the density slightly in these two areas would discourage people from going through Town or only give people options to go through SB 9? LOS GATOS PLANNING COMMISSION 4/27/2022 Item #4, Draft 2040 General Plan and Final Environmental Impact Report 105 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 CHAIR HANSSEN: Based on what I understand, which I’m no expert, but based on what I’ve heard about SB 9 so far, and Staff probably knows more than me, I don't know that you could make the statement that slightly reducing the densities in Low-Density Residential for the General Plan would open the door for SB 9, because I think there are enough things about SB 9 that are limiting, that’s all. COMMISSIONER CLARK: Okay, thank you. CHAIR HANSSEN: If Staff has anything more to add on SB 9, because you guys are closer then I am, but that was my impression. But I don’t see them. Commissioner Clark, and then Vice Chair Barnett. COMMISSIONER CLARK: Thank you. I’ll add something on SB 9. It doesn’t allow fourplexes, which I think is another reason why these density changes are really important, because they’ll open up that possibility, because that’s something I’m bummed about with SB 9 is that that wasn’t an option. Then I want to clarify something. So the amendment to Commissioner Janoff’s original motion had been made because of Chair Hanssen’s concerns with Low-Density Residential, and so I wasn’t sure how Medium-Density Residential became part of the motion and if it officially LOS GATOS PLANNING COMMISSION 4/27/2022 Item #4, Draft 2040 General Plan and Final Environmental Impact Report 106 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 is part of it, because it would be my preference to keep it for just Low-Density Residential. CHAIR HANSSEN: I would have said both Low- Density Residential and Medium-Density Residential with a slight reduction with the idea that I’m not taking too much off the table for any one particular thing. That was my logic. COMMISSIONER CLARK: That’s good with me. Thank you. CHAIR HANSSEN: Vice Chair Barnett. VICE CHAIR BARNETT: Thank you, Chair. I’m having trouble understanding how we could give meaningful direction to the Council if we’re talking about not impairing the missing middle in the Low-Density Residential and Medium-Density Residential designations. I don’t see how we can, given the variety of types of those kind of housings with duplexes, triplexes, fourplexes, I don't know how that can materially be evaluated. Maybe I’m missing something. CHAIR HANSSEN: Staff, first of all, we aren’t going to get any more clarity on this for our meeting tonight, so then if we were able to get resolution on this and get a majority vote, what could you tell the Council on this particular point? LOS GATOS PLANNING COMMISSION 4/27/2022 Item #4, Draft 2040 General Plan and Final Environmental Impact Report 107 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 JENNIFER ARMER: Thank you. What I heard from the Planning Commission this evening on this item and this motion is that if this were supported, the recommendation to Town Council is to remove the housing densities from the Office and Service Commercial and to consider lowering the allowed densities in the Low-Density Residential and Medium-Density Residential zones, but only to a point that would still allow the missing middle. As I said, it’s more of a qualitative kind of quality direction rather than a number direction. It’s indicating that you recognize that there is interest from the community to not increase the densities in those designations as far as in the Draft General Plan, but recognizing the importance of missing middle housing, and so that they could then when they have additional numbers consider that recommendation and how to implement it, if they support it. Is that helpful? CHAIR HANSSEN: Vice Chair Barnett took his hand down, so I guess he got his answer as much as we have an answer. VICE CHAIR BARNETT: It seems to me that it’s still pretty ambiguous and doesn’t give a lot of direction. I would favor going for a number such as proposed, or a LOS GATOS PLANNING COMMISSION 4/27/2022 Item #4, Draft 2040 General Plan and Final Environmental Impact Report 108 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 bigger number than that, but I think we’re moving into a nebulous area. CHAIR HANSSEN: Ms. Armer has her hand up. JENNIFER ARMER: Thank you, Chair. I just wanted to call attention to the fact that it is 10:57, and so we will need a motion if we want to go past 11:00 o’clock. CHAIR HANSSEN: I’m going to ask someone to make a motion to continue to 11:30, because I would like to at least finish this part of the discussion. I don’t think we’ll finish the rest of the plan, but would someone make a motion to continue to 11:30? Let’s see, I’ve got Commissioner Janoff, is that a motion? And then Commissioner Thomas. COMMISSIONER JANOFF: Sorry, I had my hand up for a clarification, but I defer to Commissioner Thomas. COMMISSIONER THOMAS: I move to extend the meeting until 11:30. CHAIR HANSSEN: Okay, thank you for that, and do we have a second? Commissioner Clark. COMMISSIONER CLARK: Second. CHAIR HANSSEN: And then a quick roll call vote. Commissioner Thomas. COMMISSIONER THOMAS: Yes. CHAIR HANSSEN: Commissioner Raspe. LOS GATOS PLANNING COMMISSION 4/27/2022 Item #4, Draft 2040 General Plan and Final Environmental Impact Report 109 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 COMMISSIONER RASPE: Yes. CHAIR HANSSEN: Commissioner Janoff. COMMISSIONER JANOFF: Yes. CHAIR HANSSEN: Commissioner Clark. COMMISSIONER CLARK: Yes. CHAIR HANSSEN: Vice Chair Barnett. VICE CHAIR BARNETT: Yes. CHAIR HANSSEN: And I vote yes as well. We may not need to go to 11:30. So Commissioner Janoff, you had a question, and then I think Commissioner Thomas does as well. COMMISSIONER JANOFF: Actually a clarification. The purpose of adding the Low-Density and Medium-Density reduction possibilities is to call attention to the Council that if it goes too far they’ll lose missing middle, and so it’s really a notion that the GPAC felt very strongly about missing middle, and we had over the course of time a number of Council members on the GPAC also very much in favor of missing middle, so it’s really not a number per se. I mean, Staff will get it down to a number by the time this goes to Council, so they’ll know what that is, but the notion is the Planning Commission is in favor of retaining missing middle. LOS GATOS PLANNING COMMISSION 4/27/2022 Item #4, Draft 2040 General Plan and Final Environmental Impact Report 110 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 CHAIR HANSSEN: To add onto that, if you look at it from the number perspective, such as you did, Vice Chair Barnett, it has to translate into a change in density, so if you say all, then it goes back to 2020, but if it’s half and you say I want to reduce the number in half, then the Staff has to do the calculations to determine at what density level would it actually translate into half of that, so you wouldn’t know the answer to that if you put the number out there either in terms of the only thing that will change in the actual General Plan is the density, because we don’t have control over the exact number, we have only a model that translates from the density, if that makes sense. Commissioner Thomas. COMMISSIONER THOMAS: I understand what you’re saying, but I do still have the same concerns as Vice Chair Barnett, and so therefore I’d just feel comfortable like knocking off the Office Professional and Service Commercial, because I feel like that’s just a very specific thing that we can eliminate from this equation and sends a message that we think the missing middle is still important, which is also what we want to do as a group. COMMISSIONER JANOFF: Through the Chair, that number is already part of the motion. LOS GATOS PLANNING COMMISSION 4/27/2022 Item #4, Draft 2040 General Plan and Final Environmental Impact Report 111 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 COMMISSIONER THOMAS: I know, but I think that that’s the only part of the motion that I support. I don’t want to change the densities also, because I think that then it does get into a gray area and we’re forwarding something that we haven’t seen the final numbers of. CHAIR HANSSEN: Okay, that’s a fair comment. Are there others that would like to comment on this? Commissioner Clark. COMMISSIONER CLARK: I agree overall with Commissioner Thomas. I think that would definitely be my preferred motion, but I don’t think that’s the direction we’re overall going. I also think that Commissioner Janoff’s motion does kind of acknowledge that Council still very well might reduce these numbers further, and so if we do it this way there’s a very strong message to keep missing middle housing, and we’ve also created a path in which missing middle housing is retained in the General Plan, and so yeah, I think for those reasons I prefer this motion overall. CHAIR HANSSEN: I don’t like having an uncertain situation go along to Council, but I feel like there’s enough parameters on it with Commissioner Janoff’s motion, and then as I said, we kind of knew when we had a meeting before this meeting to discuss it that we would end up with LOS GATOS PLANNING COMMISSION 4/27/2022 Item #4, Draft 2040 General Plan and Final Environmental Impact Report 112 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 incomplete information, because you can’t off the top of your head translate densities into numbers necessarily, so we would have ended up in the this situation unless we went with one of the numbers that’s on this page here in the Staff Report, because they’ve already done those calculations for us for those. If there are no other comments, I think it would be worth going ahead and taking a vote and see where we stand, and if we can’t have a majority, that’s fine, we’ll have to come up with another motion and go from there. So the motion on the table, do we need to go back over it, or is everyone clear? I think Commissioner Janoff did outline it several times, so I think we’re fine. I will start out with Commissioner Thomas. COMMISSIONER THOMAS: No. CHAIR HANSSEN: Commissioner Raspe. COMMISSIONER RASPE: No. CHAIR HANSSEN: Commissioner Janoff. COMMISSIONER JANOFF: Yes. CHAIR HANSSEN: Commissioner Clark. COMMISSIONER CLARK: Yes. CHAIR HANSSEN: Vice Chair Barnett. VICE CHAIR BARNETT: No. LOS GATOS PLANNING COMMISSION 4/27/2022 Item #4, Draft 2040 General Plan and Final Environmental Impact Report 113 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 CHAIR HANSSEN: And I vote yes, so we’re split 3- 3, so the motion fails, and we have to go back and come up with another suggestion. Commissioner Thomas and then Commissioner Janoff. COMMISSIONER THOMAS: Commissioner Janoff can go. I’m fine. COMMISSIONER JANOFF: So we understand the concern that Commissioner Thomas voiced, and I’d like, if it’s not inconvenient, to ask Commissioner Raspe and Vice Chair Barnett if you’re still with Vice Chair Barnett’s numbers, or is there something else that you have in mind? CHAIR HANSSEN: Commissioner Raspe, you have our hand up. COMMISSIONER RASPE: Sure. I raised that for a different reason, but I’ll answer Commissioner Janoff’s question. As I indicated earlier, my strongest concern is changing the numbers of the Low-Density housing designation, and the motion as presented leaves great ambiguity in that respect. Largely it’s unknown if we vote for that motion what will happen to those designations, whether those numbers will change. It could be the case that none may change, it could be the case that a great many will change. LOS GATOS PLANNING COMMISSION 4/27/2022 Item #4, Draft 2040 General Plan and Final Environmental Impact Report 114 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 And I appreciate the guidance we want to give the Council, but I think in that formulation it leads to too many questions and too much unknowns, so that hopefully answers your question, Commissioner. Mine was a question more to Staff. I’m curious; we are two or three different positions amongst us. Is it necessary that we agree on a point to provide to Council? Would it be adequate that we provide them an advisement that two Commissioners feel this way, three Commissioners feel this way, etc.? Because again, these are recommendations we’re making to Council, as I understand it, so would that be a way through this? I’m just thinking out loud. I’m sorry. And part of it is it’s 11:00 o’clock. Thanks so much. CHAIR HANSSEN: Would Staff want to comment on Commissioner Raspe’s question? JOEL PAULSON: Thank you. I think we’re typically looking for a majority motion. There are a lot of different views and ideas across the Commissioners that we have here tonight, and I think that’s pretty obvious through the discussion. It may be that, as I mentioned before, we’ll send them verbatim minutes. I’ll defer to Ms. Prevetti after I say what I probably shouldn’t say, but it is after 11:00, so I’m going LOS GATOS PLANNING COMMISSION 4/27/2022 Item #4, Draft 2040 General Plan and Final Environmental Impact Report 115 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 to say it anyway. You could get to a point where you can’t reach majority on any reconfiguration of the numbers, and so at that point we’re going to come to an impasse and we’re just going to have to move it forward without an actual, explicit motion on any reduction in the number is my thought. LAUREL PREVETTI: And I would support Director Paulson with that. You’ve had a very robust conversation over these last two meetings over the numbers, and so there is a lot of really good commentary for the Council to consider. We do have a little bit of time yet tonight if somebody would like to try another motion, but it’s perfectly fine for us to express the three-way split that has emerged through the course of these conversations. Thank you. JENNIFER ARMER: Just to clarify that, I would say that if that is where the Commission ends up finding themselves on the numbers, then in the end the motion that the Commission would be considering is a recommendation to forward the Draft 2040 General Plan to Town Council for consideration with the modifications that we have discussed over these three meetings and no specific recommendation on modifications to the housing densities, but Staff would LOS GATOS PLANNING COMMISSION 4/27/2022 Item #4, Draft 2040 General Plan and Final Environmental Impact Report 116 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 provide a summary, and as Town Manager Prevetti mentioned, they will have access to verbatim minutes as well. COMMISSIONER RASPE: Thank you, Staff. And just to be clear, I don’t believe we’re at an impasse yet, I think there are still discussions and ideas to be had. I just wanted to discuss the what-if situation just so we all have that in our heads, so thank you for answering the question. CHAIR HANSSEN: We’re going to have to go to another meeting anyway, because we haven’t gotten to the Community Design Element or the EIR yet, so that isn’t going to happen tonight. The other thing that is in play here is Commissioner Tavana is not here, so we have six votes instead of seven, and even the last motion couldn’t have been split. So that being said, I think that where we’re stuck is kind of where I’m not seeing that anybody has a problem with the motion to remove Office and Service Commercial housing and therefore the density associated with it from the 2040 General Plan. The issue is around Low-Density Residential and Medium-Density Residential and where the split is is between taking that off the table except for what’s already LOS GATOS PLANNING COMMISSION 4/27/2022 Item #4, Draft 2040 General Plan and Final Environmental Impact Report 117 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 ministerial by law or something in between, and then we have the let’s not change anything so that we can make the most possible. Commissioner Janoff and then Commissioner Clark. COMMISSIONER JANOFF: What I’m thinking is in order to further assist if we don’t have a majority decision is to go through the bullets on page 219. We’re talking about potential reductions, and I think for clarification to Council we should probably indicate which the Planning Commission would be in favor of, kind of a yes or no, and then if we had any conversation… I think it’s clear where we are with the Low-Density and Medium-Density. We’ve already suggested removing the Office and Service Commercial. “Revert properties in New Community designation back to Neighborhood 58 units,” that could be. But I think we also agree that we don’t want to reduce the density in the Mixed-Use designation or the final bullet. CHAIR HANSSEN: You’re suggesting we have that discussion? COMMISSIONER JANOFF: That’s my summary. We’ve kind of been talking around these bullets, but I was just thinking since these bullets were potential reductions that came I believe from Council, then responding to those potential reduction areas probably further gives guidance LOS GATOS PLANNING COMMISSION 4/27/2022 Item #4, Draft 2040 General Plan and Final Environmental Impact Report 118 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 as to the recommendation of the Planning Commission, even if we can’t reach a consensus. CHAIR HANSSEN: Yes, I think that makes sense. Commissioner Clark, you have your hand up. COMMISSIONER CLARK: Thank you. I do feel like we can reach an at least majority consensus, and I think that to me feels like an important thing to do to really be able to pass a single General Plan on with at least something that we’ve all come together to recommend. Earlier we were able to have a majority who agreed to eliminating the 313 from the Office and Service Commercial designations, then beyond that the concern was that they get the strong message about missing middle housing that they understand that the dissenting Commissioners’ concerns are related to Low-Density Residential and Medium-Density Residential. So I would like to make a motion that is along the lines of the original one, which is to remove the 313 housing units from Office and Service Commercial designations. CHAIR HANSSEN: You mean to just get approval for that and recognize that the Commission is not comfortable with the balance of it? I’m trying to understand. LOS GATOS PLANNING COMMISSION 4/27/2022 Item #4, Draft 2040 General Plan and Final Environmental Impact Report 119 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 COMMISSIONER CLARK: I think we were all in a place where we were ready to agree with that or that we had the majority in agreement with that, and then beyond that our concerns were that the Council receive certain messages, and so I think that it’s recommending that number and then us having the comfort of knowing that the Council will be aware of this entire conversation and of the nuances of our conversation. CHAIR HANSSEN: I think I understand where you’re going. I’m not really comfortable with that personally as the Chair, but it is a Commission decision, but feel like we should, and it is our role to try to come to some resolution on the other issues that are on the table besides that. Director Paulson JOEL PAULSON: I just wanted to say, we have a motion on the floor, we need to at least see if we have a second, and then we can have a discussion. CHAIR HANSSEN: Yes, fair enough. Thank you for that. Commissioner Thomas. COMMISSIONER THOMAS: I second the motion. CHAIR HANSSEN: So there is a motion and a second, and the motion is simply about the Office and Service Commercial. My question is we’re not making a LOS GATOS PLANNING COMMISSION 4/27/2022 Item #4, Draft 2040 General Plan and Final Environmental Impact Report 120 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 recommendation on the overall land use number, we’re only making a recommendation on that one aspect of the land use number, is that correct? COMMISSIONER CLARK: I think that my vision of it is that it’s pretty much Commissioner Janoff’s original motion, so that it is on the overall number with the reduction of the 313 units. Does that make sense? CHAIR HANSSEN: Yes. So there’s a motion and second, and is there other discussion? Commissioner Janoff. COMMISSIONER JANOFF: Yes, I think that I would like to hear from Commissioner Barnett regarding also adding to this the Community Commercial to Neighborhood Commercial and Central Business District reductions. Vice Chair Barnett is recommending a 50% reduction in those numbers and I’m just curious what of those numbers is actually on the list of bullets from the Council, and I’m just wondering whether there is agreement in adding the reverting the properties in the new Community Commercial back to Neighborhood Commercial for an additional 58 units, and reducing the Central Business District down to 67 units? CHAIR HANSSEN: So Vice Chair Barnett. LOS GATOS PLANNING COMMISSION 4/27/2022 Item #4, Draft 2040 General Plan and Final Environmental Impact Report 121 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 VICE CHAIR BARNETT: The motion that’s on the floor, I thought we already voted on it and it was a motion that failed. Yes, in the abstract with looking at specific line items I would agree with the two changes that Commissioner Janoff just mentioned, but that leaves all the other ones to be discussed. CHAIR HANSSEN: Commissioner Clark. COMMISSIONER CLARK: I’d like to amend my motion to include those two additional changes suggested by Commissioner Janoff. CHAIR HANSSEN: And is there a second? Commissioner Thomas, do you agree to the amendment of the motion? COMMISSIONER THOMAS: Yes. Can they be repeated one more time before I agree? I need clarification. COMMISSIONER JANOFF: Yes, and let’s look at the Town’s bullet number four, “Revert properties in the New Community Commercial designation back to Neighborhood Commercial, which would have a reduction of 58 units,” and then not on this list, but Vice Chair Barnett has recommended the Central Business District be reduced, I don't know what from, but to 67. Let me just look. COMMISSIONER THOMAS: It’s from 135 total. LOS GATOS PLANNING COMMISSION 4/27/2022 Item #4, Draft 2040 General Plan and Final Environmental Impact Report 122 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 COMMISSIONER JANOFF: Right, 135 total down to 67. COMMISSIONER THOMAS: Down to 67. Yes, I accept the second. CHAIR HANSSEN: Ms. Armer, did you have a comment? JENNIFER ARMER: In looking at the numbers it looks like the reduction in the Central Business District, I believe you just reduced the total number half. That keeps it still slightly above the densities that are currently allowed in downtown, but gets it pretty close to what the existing is. We have to do some numbers to figure out what the density would actually be. JOEL PAULSON: I’ll just jump in real quick. Since the max now is 20 and proposed is 30, he’s cutting it in half, the 135, so it’s probably somewhere in the order of a maximum of 25 (inaudible) that’s greater. CHAIR HANSSEN: All right, so we do have a motion from Commissioner Clark and then a second by Commissioner Thomas. Is there more discussion? I’ll weigh in. I’m not super comfortable for a couple of reasons. One is given the discussion that we had at the Housing Element Advisory Board about the site inventory, and we did already go through downtown. We had some very LOS GATOS PLANNING COMMISSION 4/27/2022 Item #4, Draft 2040 General Plan and Final Environmental Impact Report 123 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 passionate comments from the Vice Mayor, who lives downtown, and a few others about there are some really wonderful opportunities for Mixed-Use development that could fit in nicely with downtown, and one of the specific properties that was mentioned was the post office, and while there is no application on the table at the moment that I know of, I’m not sure that given the things that we’ve been hearing from people about Mixed-Use that that wouldn’t come off the table if we were to take more density off the table. In fact, what I’ve been hearing is we might even need to do more, so I’d be uncomfortable with that part of it alone. The Community Commercial to Neighborhood Commercial was fine, but I would further add that I’m not sure that not reducing anything in Low-Density or Medium- Density is going to be acceptable to Commissioner Raspe and Vice Chair Barnett. We can go ahead and try to vote on it, but those are the problems I see. Let’s see, Commissioner Thomas and then Commissioner Clark. COMMISSIONER THOMAS: Chair Hanssen, which part of the motion are you uncomfortable with? CHAIR HANSSEN: The Central Business District, downtown. LOS GATOS PLANNING COMMISSION 4/27/2022 Item #4, Draft 2040 General Plan and Final Environmental Impact Report 124 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 COMMISSIONER THOMAS: Just the reducing the density of that specific space? CHAIR HANSSEN: Yes. COMMISSIONER THOMAS: But you’re okay with changing Community Commercial, reverting that back to Neighborhood Commercial? CHAIR HANSSEN: Yes. But I don’t know if it’s going to work out to not make some reduction in Low-Density or Medium-Density, but I could be okay with that. COMMISSIONER THOMAS: Okay. CHAIR HANSSEN: Let’s see, Commissioner Clark and then Commissioner Janoff. COMMISSIONER CLARK: Thank you. Here’s my thought. Since we’re clearly going to meet again, would it be possible to have Staff explore that loose guidance that had been given about reducing the densities in Low-Density Residential and Medium-Density Residential to a point where they still allow missing middle housing, and then we would be able to use that to guide our discussions since some of the problems were with the ambiguities? JOEL PAULSON: I’ll jump in. That’s a definite maybe. We’ll see what we can pull together. It’s almost 11:30. We still have to get through this motion if we ever actually call the question, and then we also are going to LOS GATOS PLANNING COMMISSION 4/27/2022 Item #4, Draft 2040 General Plan and Final Environmental Impact Report 125 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 have to continue this to a date certain, so we need to keep that in mind. We may need another motion to extend past 11:30, but we will work with Staff to see what we can pull up from a numbers perspective to try to get what the minimum lot size for four units or missing middle is and then see if we can go through our GIS to figure out how many lots of the lots in those designations would still remain viable. COMMISSIONER CLARK: Thank you. That’s a lot of work, so thank you very much, and yeah, I think that’s my preference. I don't know if this is possible, but I don’t think we need to worry about that motion I made previously, and the motion that I would prefer that we make is what I just suggested, to wait and have the Staff explore that possibility. CHAIR HANSSEN: Can she just withdraw her motion? JOEL PAULSON: She would need to withdraw her motion, yes. COMMISSIONER CLARK: I withdraw my motion. CHAIR HANSSEN: All right, and then since we are running close to our deadline, I don't know that we need to continue past 11:30 as long as we can come up with a date certain and vote on that before, but I’m going to look to Staff for guidance on that. LOS GATOS PLANNING COMMISSION 4/27/2022 Item #4, Draft 2040 General Plan and Final Environmental Impact Report 126 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 JENNIFER ARMER: Thank you, Chair. We have looked at the Town’s calendars in terms of upcoming meetings and what dates might be possibilities for continuance. Next Monday, May 2nd would be one option. If it were a 7:00 o’clock meeting it would not conflict with other scheduled Town meetings. Unfortunately we’ve got a lot of evening meetings coming up, so another option then would be Tuesday the 10th, which is the day before your next regular meeting on the 11th, which would also be an option. CHAIR HANSSEN: Can I just see a show of hands from the Commissioners who can make it on Monday, May 2nd? It looks like everybody. And Tuesday, May 10th. Not as much. Okay. I’ll go ahead and make the motion to continue this to a date certain of Monday, May 2nd at 7:00 o’clock. Can I get a second? Vice Chair Barnett. VICE CHAIR BARNETT: I second the motion. CHAIR HANSSEN: Okay, great. Commissioner Raspe, did you have a question. COMMISSIONER RASPE: Quick question. I just want to confirm with Staff that May 2nd is enough time for them to complete the work that we’ve asked them to do? LOS GATOS PLANNING COMMISSION 4/27/2022 Item #4, Draft 2040 General Plan and Final Environmental Impact Report 127 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 CHAIR HANSSEN: Thank you for that. That’s a good question. JENNIFER ARMER: Well, as Director Paulson said, it’s a definite maybe. We will put together what information we can for a Staff Report this Friday, but that is the day after tomorrow, so we can pull some information, but it would likely be limited. JOEL PAULSON: I’d just offer that if we can’t get it for the Friday memo, then we can see what we can pull together on Monday for a Desk Item. CHAIR HANSSEN: I think that was a good issue to raise though. It looked like we had five out six of us for the 10th. Commissioner Janoff. COMMISSIONER JANOFF: I would just like to say that personally I’m not looking for a precise number, it’s more an order of magnitude. Are we going to get 10%, 20%, just so we know that there’s a meaningful reduction if we go down that route? I know that some Commissioners are keen on having a precise number, but if time does not allow for that analysis, then I think knowing that there’s a substantial enough number or not would be sufficient for me. LOS GATOS PLANNING COMMISSION 4/27/2022 Item #4, Draft 2040 General Plan and Final Environmental Impact Report 128 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 JENNIFER ARMER: And I would say that I think we can come up with some numbers as to what minimum lot size would be required for a fourplex based on a couple of different densities, and then I am hopeful that we would be able, if not Friday then by Monday, to figure out the number of parcels in our Low-Density designation to meet that. It may be that we would need to do that for Medium- Density as well, so I think we could get you some information. It’s just it is going to be a quick turnaround, so we don’t want to promise too much. CHAIR HANSSEN: I think that would be enough. I hope you guys feel the same way. There’s always going to be more, but I think that would give us, based on the questions I was hearing, so can I get a second for my motion for Monday, May 2nd? Commissioner Raspe. COMMISSIONER RASPE: I’ll second. CHAIR HANSSEN: And then I will do a quick roll call vote. CHAIR HANSSEN: Commissioner Thomas. COMMISSIONER THOMAS: Yes. CHAIR HANSSEN: Commissioner Raspe. COMMISSIONER RASPE: Yes. CHAIR HANSSEN: Commissioner Janoff. LOS GATOS PLANNING COMMISSION 4/27/2022 Item #4, Draft 2040 General Plan and Final Environmental Impact Report 129 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 COMMISSIONER JANOFF: Yes. CHAIR HANSSEN: Commissioner Clark. COMMISSIONER CLARK: Yes. CHAIR HANSSEN: Vice Chair Barnett. VICE CHAIR BARNETT: Yes. CHAIR HANSSEN: And I vote yes as well. Since we’re continuing the meeting we don’t need to do the concluding things, right Staff? Okay. I want to thank you all for a really very good and in depth discussion, and I think that so much good things have gone on and that’s why there are some people in different directions on this thing, but I think the end result is going to be much, much better because of all the issues that we’re bringing up and vetting through this process, so we will see you all on Monday, May 2nd, and good night. This meeting is adjourned. This Page Intentionally Left Blank