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Attachment 5 - April 26, 2023 Planning Commission Verbatim MinutesLOS GATOS PLANNING COMMISSION 4/26/2023 Item #3, Modifications to the Town Height Pole and Netting Policy for Additions and New Construction 1 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 A P P E A R A N C E S: Los Gatos Planning Commissioners: Jeffrey Barnett, Chair Steve Raspe, Vice Chair Susan Burnett Melanie Hanssen Kathryn Janoff Emily Thomas Town Manager: Laurel Prevetti Community Development Director: Joel Paulson Town Attorney: Gabrielle Whelan Transcribed by: Vicki L. Blandin (619) 541-3405 ATTACHMENT 5 LOS GATOS PLANNING COMMISSION 4/26/2023 Item #3, Modifications to the Town Height Pole and Netting Policy for Additions and New Construction 2 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 P R O C E E D I N G S: CHAIR BARNETT: We’ll move onto Agenda Item 3, which is also a request for a recommendation to the Town Council, this time on Modification to the Town Height Pole and Netting Policy for Additions and New Construction, and the proposed amendments to the Town policy are not considered a project under CEQA. I’ll ask if Staff has a presentation on this matter? JENNIFER ARMER: Good evening, Chair, Vice Chair, Commissioners. The item in front of you is consideration of changes to the Town’s Height Pole and Netting Policy, often referred to as the Story Pole Policy. This discussion was requested by Town Council as part of recent discussion of requests for exceptions to the current Story Pole Policy, as well as being included as an implementation program in the current Draft Housing Element. This was expected to be a work plan for discussion by Council Policy Committee, but they directed Staff to move forward and bring the discussion to Planning LOS GATOS PLANNING COMMISSION 4/26/2023 Item #3, Modifications to the Town Height Pole and Netting Policy for Additions and New Construction 3 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 Commission for consideration and recommendation to Town Council on what changes might be warranted based on previous discussion with Town Council, as well as outreach to story pole installers, architects, and developers in town. The written Staff Report includes several topics for discussion, including projects over 35’ in height, guy wires particularly when the story poles are close to property lines, projects with multiple buildings, interference with existing residences and businesses, and the exception process. These items are intended to initiate tonight’s discussion, but we also invite questions and recommendations for other modifications. This concludes Staff’s presentation, but I’d be happy to answer any questions. CHAIR BARNETT: Thank you for that report. Questions from the Commissioners for Staff? Commissioner Hanssen. COMMISSIONER HANSSEN: We received a comment letter in the addendum and one of the items mentioned was about having to submit a story pole plan preceding implementing the story poles, and it’s mentioned in the Staff Report that there are certain jurisdictions in Santa LOS GATOS PLANNING COMMISSION 4/26/2023 Item #3, Modifications to the Town Height Pole and Netting Policy for Additions and New Construction 4 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 Clara County that do not have story pole requirements and other ones do. Do most people that have story pole policies require a story pole plan, or do they leave it the experts to implement it? JENNIFER ARMER: Thank you for that question. I don’t have that level of detail on the other policies that other municipalities have. It does seem to vary significantly from one community to another as to how they implement this requirement. In some cases there is a written policy that is available online, in other cases it is just a Staff policy that is required as part of processing these projects, and the types of projects that they apply to also varies from one community to another, so we saw a wide variety of that. COMMISSIONER HANSSEN: Thank you for that. It was probably more (inaudible) than I would have expected that you would have, but I wanted to add onto that question and ask when we do these view corridor things outside people do the view corridors, and when we do CEQA we get an outside company to do the CEQA, so why do we require a story pole plan? It wasn’t on the list of discussion topics, but when I saw the letter it made me think what would happen if we didn’t do that. LOS GATOS PLANNING COMMISSION 4/26/2023 Item #3, Modifications to the Town Height Pole and Netting Policy for Additions and New Construction 5 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 JENNIFER ARMER: Thank you for that question. I would say that taking a look at the introduction to the current Story Pole Policy is very helpful in understanding the purpose behind having a policy like this. It emphasizes two primary purposes. One is to show the size and massing of the proposed buildings or renovation, and the second is to call attention to the proposed project for public involvement, and so based on that language I would say that those are the goals. There are other ways to address those particular issues: signage and then simulations or other types of flagging, for example, some of the examples that were provided in the Staff Report. Did that answer your question? COMMISSIONER HANSSEN: No, what I was asking was it’s not about whether they do story poles or not, it was specifically about having to submit a written story pole plan prior to putting up the story poles. Why do we do that, and what would happen if we didn’t require that step in the process? JENNIFER ARMER: Based on my experience in looking at story pole plans it’s often helpful for Staff to ensure that there are poles representing the massing of the LOS GATOS PLANNING COMMISSION 4/26/2023 Item #3, Modifications to the Town Height Pole and Netting Policy for Additions and New Construction 6 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 building in compliance with the Story Pole Policy, but in general a lot of the times the certification that we receive states that the story poles are consistent with the proposed plans, so I think there is room for that type of modification if the Planning Commission is supportive of that. Then I want to check in with our Community Development Director to see if he has any further thoughts on that. JOEL PAULSON: I will say just for discussion, the potential implication is we don’t have a plan, they put up poles, we go out and look at them and say, “That doesn’t work. Modify them.” We still don’t have a plan, they modify them, and it still doesn’t meet what we want. So the plan really is, “Here’s the plan. Put them up,” and there we go. So that’s the other side of it for the potential implications. COMMISSIONER HANSSEN: That’s good for now. CHAIR BARNETT: Commissioner Burnett. COMMISSIONER BURNETT: Thank you, Chair. I feel that our Story Pole Policy has served us very well since 1998. I think it’s very important for citizens to have story poles. LOS GATOS PLANNING COMMISSION 4/26/2023 Item #3, Modifications to the Town Height Pole and Netting Policy for Additions and New Construction 7 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 I have one question for Staff. A 35’ tall building, for example, how high is 35’? Because we keep talking about 35’and the wind and how that affects at 35’, so how tall is 35’ if we’re looking? Can you give me an example? JENNIFER ARMER: What I would say is that in many areas in town, residential or commercial, the maximum height currently is 30-35’, and so that gives you a sense. In downtown the maximum height is 45’. We do have properties that exceed those height limits in some cases, but if you think of the housing that you see around town, if it’s a two-story house it’s often between 28-35’, sometimes a bit smaller. COMMISSIONER BURNETT: Thank you. CHAIR BARNETT: Other questions of Staff? I have a question. I should know the answer to this, but are story poles required if there are added roof elements to a single- or second-story house that do not affect the massing? JENNIFER ARMER: If there are roof elements that don’t affect the massing, based on that description I would say that no, story poles would not be required. We do occasionally have additions to an existing two-story home LOS GATOS PLANNING COMMISSION 4/26/2023 Item #3, Modifications to the Town Height Pole and Netting Policy for Additions and New Construction 8 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 where the addition would change substantially the massing of that second story. It may only be requiring a Minor Residential Development Application and so wouldn’t be going to a public hearing, but that we would request the story poles be installed. Also, if it’s a brand new second story on an existing single-story house, we do require them for those. CHAIR BARNETT: Understood. Thank you. Other questions? Vice Chair Raspe. VICE CHAIR RASPE: Thank you, Chair. I had a question for Staff. Just anecdotally, I’m having problems with the orange netting versus any other type of material that we can use for story poling, for instance, the pendant flagging or any others. I know we went through a period of very high wind and weather in the past several months. I’m curious, just again in your experience, have those particular materials proved more problematic than others, for instance? JENNIFER ARMER: Thank you for that question. Yes, as you will see in the comments from the story pole installers there is concern when you go over 30-35’, especially if it’s in an area where it will be catching the wind, that that can cause hazards for those taller poles LOS GATOS PLANNING COMMISSION 4/26/2023 Item #3, Modifications to the Town Height Pole and Netting Policy for Additions and New Construction 9 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 when you use the netting. There didn’t seem to be a concern with using the flagging instead. This was the source of the recent story pole exception requests, because there were taller buildings involved in the Wood Road project and then in the Winchester Boulevard project that will be coming forward to you in the coming months. There were concerns, and so a request for an exception to the Story Pole Policy did go to Town Council, and that is where we got this discussion of should we include a specific exception that if it’s over a certain height they’d be allowed to do some alternative method? VICE CHAIR RASPE: Thanks very much. CHAIR BARNETT: Other questions? We have a card from Ms. Wiersema. If you could come forward, please? I’ll open the public hearing. BESS WIERSEMA: Hi, Bess Wiersema, Studio3, but I’m not here for just me. I’m here representing Gary Kolhsaat, Tony Jeans, Tom Sloan, Jennifer Kretschmer, Louis Leu, Noel Cross, and Jay Plett. After Jennifer sent the notification out about the story pole potential revisions, or discussion or whatever we’re calling this, we did all get together, LOS GATOS PLANNING COMMISSION 4/26/2023 Item #3, Modifications to the Town Height Pole and Netting Policy for Additions and New Construction 10 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 because I think one thing that I can say we all have in common is we strongly disagree that story poles are helpful. We actually believe they are more hurtful and that they are an outdated method for displaying and explaining a project. We live in a time where people can do 3-D models and can pin them to a height requirement or to a pole, and then turn those in and they’re going to actually show the finished product of what a project looks like. They’re not going to be ugly, orange, flapping poles that deer run into, bicyclists run into, kids run around, get torn down, etc. I think all of us would agree that if someone built a house that looked like something that was story poled none of us would like that house, and yet that’s exactly what story poles convey. They do not convey anything that exists in the character of how we are supposed to design homes as architects. Massing can be better seen in 3-D models, and visualization and should be allowed to be an exception unless a project is highly contested or needs to go to Planning Commission. I think these are all things that you guys would find to be actually more useful in terms of LOS GATOS PLANNING COMMISSION 4/26/2023 Item #3, Modifications to the Town Height Pole and Netting Policy for Additions and New Construction 11 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 creating neighborly conversation between houses and their built environment, changes in their built environment, and also are more realistic. I want to remind you that story poles that sit in hillsides do not show things like retaining walls, terraced hillsides, the other grading that occurs on the site that creates a finished product in the end, and so often the interpretation of what we consider massing is really irrelevant to actually what it is in the long run. We do have a concern about the way story pole plans are reviewed in town. No other jurisdiction locally that we do have story poles go up in has a review process that’s as significant as the one here in Los Gatos. The one in Los Gatos is time consuming, requires more rounds of revisions, and in an effort to try to streamline the process we just respectfully ask that you trust the professionals that are putting them up and putting a certified letter together for you. We don’t need to build a whole house out of pick-up sticks and netting. Lastly, I do want to correct something. We do get required to put story poles up on existing second homes, even for things like dormers, because while there is the option that we can maybe ask for an exception, often the LOS GATOS PLANNING COMMISSION 4/26/2023 Item #3, Modifications to the Town Height Pole and Netting Policy for Additions and New Construction 12 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 exception is not granted. I have several projects of my own that I could speak to, and I know that the architects all have others too, and that was one of the reasons we wrote some of those bullet points in there saying if we’re adding dormers to an existing second story house, yes, dormers can change some of the massing, but they’re really not changing the big over all footprint and mass of the home, so we often even on a Minor Residential application are required to do story poles. These just add more time and more expense. A basic story pole package, including plans, for a regular new home in Los Gatos costs about $20,000. I’m sure we’d all rather spend $20,000 on beautiful architectural details, especially if the house is not contested by neighbors and meets the design guidelines. CHAIR BARNETT: Thank you. I’ll ask if there are questions for you from the Commissioners? I’m not seeing any, so thank you for that. Ms. Somers. CATHERINE SOMERS: Catherine Somers again with the Los Gatos Chamber of Commerce. This is really kind of a big topic, but I would start with saying that houses at the end of the day are not orange and they’re not see-through, and I think that Bess LOS GATOS PLANNING COMMISSION 4/26/2023 Item #3, Modifications to the Town Height Pole and Netting Policy for Additions and New Construction 13 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 was correct in stating that story poles are something that we used to rely on, but now there are so many other tools, but with that said I do actually still believe that we need to come up with other ways of engaging the public perhaps so that they can go and utilize those other tools that are available. However, going back to the story poles, I do think that they are truly causing impediments, and I’m really here representing a lot of my members again at the Chamber of Commerce who are architects and builders and who have been really frustrated with this process as of late, and I’m hoping that you’ll consider tonight coming up with other options so that they can work through these building processes more quickly and efficiently, because it really is causing some strain and concern, not only on the part of the architects and the builders, but also on the homeowners themselves. It’s also causing constraints on the Building Department themselves because we’re spending a lot of time on some of these residential homes that really are pretty easy maybe, and then we have a lot of commercial projects also, so I think we need to alleviate some of that street LOS GATOS PLANNING COMMISSION 4/26/2023 Item #3, Modifications to the Town Height Pole and Netting Policy for Additions and New Construction 14 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 from our Building Department if that’s at all possible. That’s one other point. Then the last one, I’ve watched the Planning Commission deliberate over some of the story poles and what it looks like to you, the orange story poles that are see- through, and I think the architects in particular are professionals and they’ve gone to school for this for years and years, and sometimes when they’re talking about 2’ versus 3’ or an indent here or an indent there, I think we really have to learn to accept and acknowledge that they know what they’re talking about, and so I think if they’re saying right now that the story poles are obsolete and there are other ways of sharing with the public what their designs will look like, then they should be able to do it that way. There will still be opportunities for you to say nope, that doesn’t fit the character, or no, that’s too high, but I just think that the story poles aren’t really telling that story anymore. Thank you. CHAIR BARNETT: Thank you, Ms. Somers. Are there questions from Commissioners for you? No. Thank you very much. JOEL PAULSON: Chair, we do have a speaker that is on Zoom. LOS GATOS PLANNING COMMISSION 4/26/2023 Item #3, Modifications to the Town Height Pole and Netting Policy for Additions and New Construction 15 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 CHAIR BARNETT: Thank you very much for bringing that to my attention. JOEL PAULSON: I’m going to allow Don Capobres to speak. Go ahead. You have three minutes. DON CAPOBRES: Good evening, Chair Barnett, Commission, and Staff. I really wish I were there in person. My name is Don Capobres with Harmonie Park Development. I’ve worked on the North Forty project for over 15 years. In the context in which we were required to implement it, the Town’s story pole policy is an anti- housing development tool. In his February 10th letter on the Town’s Draft Housing Element, which was sent to HCD, our attorney Eric Phillips stated, “Requiring story poles creates unnecessary tension within the community and can create false expectations about the Town’s ability to deny or modify design elements such as height or massing that are consistent with the Town’s development standards. For example, during phase one of the North Forty development, acres and acres of unsightly story poles stirred up angst among community members to temporarily derail the approval process. LOS GATOS PLANNING COMMISSION 4/26/2023 Item #3, Modifications to the Town Height Pole and Netting Policy for Additions and New Construction 16 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 However, given that the phase one development and many other housing developments are protected by State laws that prevent the Town from denying or reducing the density of housing development projects, including the Housing Accountability Act, the State Density Bonus Law, story poles do nothing more than create unnecessary opposition to projects that are legally entitled to move forward. Said simply, the Town’s outdated story pole policy is impeding housing production. We will continue to voice this sentiment to HCD and other decision makers as long as policies such as this remain in the books. The Town must allow simpler, less burdensome, and more effective ways of providing notice and information such as large informational signs posted onsite, and using 3-D renderings, fly-through videos, and other technological methods that convey similar information without unreasonably burdening development projects. This is especially true as to meet the Town’s housing needs it will have to allow for taller buildings with heights that make the Town’s current story pole policy technically infeasible to implement. Further, unless members of the public are invited to walk the interior of a private property, and also we did LOS GATOS PLANNING COMMISSION 4/26/2023 Item #3, Modifications to the Town Height Pole and Netting Policy for Additions and New Construction 17 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 invite some officials onsite in phase one, there is no requirement to do so. Story poles can only be seen from public right-of-ways, making understanding the context of a larger proposal increasingly challenging.” I do have specific data regarding costs and logistics on the story pole exercise for phase one on the North Forty and I’m happy to share if you have any questions. Thank you. CHAIR BARNETT: Thank you, Mr. Capobres, and I’ll ask if any Commissioners have questions for you? I’m not seeing any. Thank you very much. We have no further speakers on Zoom. If there is no further discussion by the Commissioners, I’ll call for a motion. JENNIFER ARMER: Through the Chair, once you have closed the public hearing, then we would go back to discussion with the Commissioners. CHAIR BARNETT: Thank you, I omitted that. So we will close the public portion of the public hearing and now ask Commissioners if they have further questions for Staff, wish to comment on the request, or propose a motion? Commissioner Hanssen. LOS GATOS PLANNING COMMISSION 4/26/2023 Item #3, Modifications to the Town Height Pole and Netting Policy for Additions and New Construction 18 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 COMMISSIONER HANSSEN: This is sort of a question for Staff. As I read the Staff Report it looked to me like this was a substitute for a Policy Committee meeting in the form of a Planning Commission. What I thought we were supposed to be doing is taking the topic, for example, projects over 35’ feet in height. There’s a question at the end, “Should modifications be made to allow one or two rows of flagging for buildings over 35’ in height?” What I thought we were going to do is similar to what we did with the last item where we would discuss each one of these items, and I think what we’re trying to do is make a recommendation to Council on ideas, concepts, for the Story Pole Policy to go back to Council or the Policy Committee, or I’m not sure, so my question is am I on the right track and what is Staff hoping for out of this? JENNIFER ARMER: Thank you for that question. Yes, we did structure this Staff Report similarly to the last item with sub-topics of interest. This is not quite as fully developed in terms of direction or recommendation from the Staff since there are a number of topics that could have a number of different solutions, and so looking for some initial direction from Planning Commission for Staff to develop some additional details, or if the LOS GATOS PLANNING COMMISSION 4/26/2023 Item #3, Modifications to the Town Height Pole and Netting Policy for Additions and New Construction 19 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 Planning Commission finds that they have specific recommendations that they feel comfortable making at this time to Town Council, we can do that as well, so on each of these items I think it will depend on whether the Planning Commission feels they have sufficient information to make suggested changes which we could then take forward to Town Council, or whether there is additional information or input that you are looking for. COMMISSIONER HANSSEN: A follow up question. Nowhere in the Staff Report is a discussion topic saying should we or should we not have a Story Pole Policy. Do you want us to have that discussion as well? JENNIFER ARMER: As I stated in my presentation, we would welcome any discussions about the Story Pole Policy, which we have heard interest in maintaining, but maybe that is the recommendation of the property line about whether we should have one at all or whether it should be modified, and if modified, then in what ways? CHAIR BARNETT: Commissioner Burnett. COMMISSIONER BURNETT: Not a question for Staff, but I can make my own comments. CHAIR BARNETT: Please, go ahead with your comments. LOS GATOS PLANNING COMMISSION 4/26/2023 Item #3, Modifications to the Town Height Pole and Netting Policy for Additions and New Construction 20 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 COMMISSIONER BURNETT: I think instead of talking for architects and builders I’m talking for the citizens of Los Gatos. I feel, and I think story poles have served us actually very well since 1998. We’ve had this policy moving forward, and as I say, I think it’s an important policy and I think story poles are important, and I think people in general are made aware of a project and that could affect the project, it could affect their view, it could affect the light, it could affect the streetscape. When you see story poles you get a good feeling of what’s going to be there, and I think that’s important. When you’re driving by you see that’s going to be coming up. They say videos and photos and whatever, but people aren’t going to be looking at videos; they’re not going to take the time to do that. You want to see what’s going to be built. You want to get a feeling for it. You want to see if mountains are going to be hidden. There are so many different concerns. Then comments like other towns are no longer using story poles. Well, if you look at the towns that they’ve suggested, these are big towns. We’re Los Gatos. We’re a small town and we’re impacted more, so I think it’s LOS GATOS PLANNING COMMISSION 4/26/2023 Item #3, Modifications to the Town Height Pole and Netting Policy for Additions and New Construction 21 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 more important to know what’s happening in the Town, and I think they’re especially important in the hillsides. That was interesting. I really want to see what’s happening in my hillside; I want to see those story poles. I would make suggestions that maybe we could streamline the permit process to make it easier and maybe try to cut costs for the builders; I’m sympathetic to that, so maybe that could be one area. We would look at the buildings that are very high, over 35’, and maybe think of different colored flags. I know there was an issue with two sets of flags, and maybe it’s because they’re the same color, maybe that was why they couldn’t be seen. Then there was the idea of putting your poles if the property line is… What did I say? Put the poles inward on the property, because I know there was an issue about where you put the poles; I know that was an issue. But in general I think the citizens of Los Gatos like story poles, and personally I think we should keep them in, maybe with some suggestions for small changes and adjustments. Thank you. CHAIR BARNETT: Thank you for those comments. Commissioner Thomas. LOS GATOS PLANNING COMMISSION 4/26/2023 Item #3, Modifications to the Town Height Pole and Netting Policy for Additions and New Construction 22 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 COMMISSIONER THOMAS: I guess I have a question for you, Chair. Are we going to go through each of these projects, or do you want us to first give our generic overview, or should we go through each of the items as recommended for the discussion and direction by Staff on page 62. CHAIR BARNETT: We’re going through A, B, C, D, E, and F. COMMISSIONER THOMAS: Are we going through by order, or no? CHAIR BARNETT: Why don’t we proceed in that way, as suggested by Commissioner Hanssen? Let’s go with A on projects exceeding 35’. COMMISSIONER THOMAS: Yes, and so can I ask a question about that? CHAIR BARNETT: Please. COMMISSIONER THOMAS: I don't know if you can answer this, but my question is what are the options and the cost difference for things that are different for projects over 35’ in height? JENNIFER ARMER: Thank you for that question. I don’t have information specifically about the cost. I think it varies significantly on the different types and LOS GATOS PLANNING COMMISSION 4/26/2023 Item #3, Modifications to the Town Height Pole and Netting Policy for Additions and New Construction 23 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 complexity of projects. The height of the poles is one of a number of factors that affects the cost. Also the time that they are up and whether they need repair, for example, and so that’s one of the concerns when they do become taller. The main recommendation for an alternative for those taller poles was the use of flagging instead of the netting, and then is there another height beyond which it’s just not reasonable to use poles at all, but that alternative methods might be considered, or the complexity? As we’re going through these different topics I think that’s very useful, but I would also say that we want to make sure at the end of the discussion to consider whether there are other topics that have been brought up by the commenters, for example, the idea of additions to single-family homes or new single-family homes. Should those be excluded completely or under certain categories? So there definitely are additional topics in addition to what was listed in the Staff Report. COMMISSIONER THOMAS: Can I follow up? CHAIR BARNETT: Please. COMMISSIONER THOMAS: I do think that the requirement of the 2’ netting is problematic and we all know why, and so I do think that flagging is a good LOS GATOS PLANNING COMMISSION 4/26/2023 Item #3, Modifications to the Town Height Pole and Netting Policy for Additions and New Construction 24 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 alternative, but I also feel like we should explore as a town other alternatives, just story poles for some situations and mainly to also compare the cost, if it could streamline anything for Town Staff, but also the cost to developers and everything. Twenty thousand dollars maybe isn’t a lot to a large developer building a lot of housing, but we don’t want this to be an impediment to meeting our RHNA requirements. CHAIR BARNETT: Thank you. Any other comments on A? Commissioner Janoff. COMMISSIONER JANOFF: This may not be a popular approach, however, I’m in favor of all the changes Staff has recommended, A-F, but I think it misses larger points that the architects have raised, as well as others in the community. I do think story poles serve a purpose, but I think it is a strange purpose. For me, they generally represent height and that’s about it. As the testimony has come forward tonight, if the height is within our Zoning Code, then why would we have the flags or netting or whatever it might be, because that’s not a contestable thing. LOS GATOS PLANNING COMMISSION 4/26/2023 Item #3, Modifications to the Town Height Pole and Netting Policy for Additions and New Construction 25 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 We ask for netting or we ask for story poles specifically when you’re asking for an exception, so it’s higher than. This was the case on Ms. Wiersema’s project, and so we thought it was very important that the neighbors see this is where it’s going to be and we think 3’ makes a difference, so when there is an exception being asked for I think it makes sense. I guess I didn’t realize that story poles are required for not just projects that go the Planning Commission, but for projects decided by Staff. I think it’s really important that we do use the tools of the 21st century or whatever. There are so many great modeling tools, and I would say even that model that we had of the North Forty that sat out in the lobby of the Civic Center for a long time was an interesting tool. Miniaturized wasn’t helpful in terms of seeing its overall impact, but we have such great tools with rendering software and the capabilities of our experts that those should be considered as a requirement perhaps over story poles. I have an issue with the plans being required when we’ve got the story poles when they are required, being certified, and installed by experts. LOS GATOS PLANNING COMMISSION 4/26/2023 Item #3, Modifications to the Town Height Pole and Netting Policy for Additions and New Construction 26 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 In short, we got a lot of really good information in the amendments and the comments and I think that input isn’t reflected in the six topics that we are being asked to talk about. It just seems like there are some bigger, broader issues. I don’t want to monopolize forever, but the issue of story poles came up most recently when we were talking about the Housing Element and the negative impact or the governmental barrier it has on developing housing. It may be different, $20,000 when you’re developing a single- family residence is one thing, but your story poles are going to be really complicated if you’ve got a more complex, larger structure, so that’s going to be a significantly greater cost, and if that’s a negative impact on the Town’s ability to see housing getting developed, I think we really have to think about that too. So for me, what Staff is recommending is okay, but it doesn’t cover the larger conversation. I feel like we need a second recommendation from Staff having gone through what we’re hearing from the experts. CHAIR BARNETT: I noted that the alternatives presented on page 65 included a possible motion to continue the matter to a certain date. Commissioner Hanssen. LOS GATOS PLANNING COMMISSION 4/26/2023 Item #3, Modifications to the Town Height Pole and Netting Policy for Additions and New Construction 27 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 COMMISSIONER HANSSEN: I was going to go exactly there. After listening to the discussion and considering the input from the architects I think it would be worthy to continue this to have a more discussion, because I think the fundamental issue has to start with whether or not we have story poles and under what circumstances, and then these things that are listed in the Staff Report are kind of details and specific cases of story poles, and I think there’s a bigger discussion. I did want to also add that, as Commissioner Janoff noted, this did come up in the Housing Element discussion, but I will say that when we discussed it briefly at the Housing Element meeting back about a month ago Council Member Hudes spoke very passionately about the importance of story poles and how he would never let them go away on his watch, that they are the thing that our residents have to hold onto with all this new building, and he’s only one person that’s speaking. It is a very controversial topic and I think it’s worthy of having the whole picture to discuss, and maybe we don’t have that right now. CHAIR BARNETT: Let me start with Commissioner Thomas, and then I’ll go the Commissioner Janoff. LOS GATOS PLANNING COMMISSION 4/26/2023 Item #3, Modifications to the Town Height Pole and Netting Policy for Additions and New Construction 28 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 COMMISSIONER THOMAS: I agree that I think some points were brought up and I feel like I would like to be able to do some more looking around at what other districts have done for options and in changing requirements and everything like that, so I do think that it would be helpful to do that, but I think that it would also be helpful to Staff to tell them exactly what we want more information on for further discussion, so that would be my recommendation. One of the things would be like specifically looking at some certain projects and language from some of these other locations where story poles are and are not required, and specifically I’m very interested in Los Altos versus Los Altos Hills, because I think that Los Altos Hills is in the hills and Los Altos is not, and one removed and the hillside area didn’t, and we have both those spaces, so what might that look like on a policy level for maintaining some of that in areas that are in our hillsides? We have different requirements for stuff. CHAIR BARNETT: So we don’t have a motion to continue yet, but maybe one is developing. Ms. Armer. JENNIFER ARMER: Thank you. I would definitely ask that we get specific direction as to what additional LOS GATOS PLANNING COMMISSION 4/26/2023 Item #3, Modifications to the Town Height Pole and Netting Policy for Additions and New Construction 29 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 information the Planning Commission needs to further this conversation. As previously stated, we invite you to talk about topics that weren’t listed in the Planning Commission report. In the written Staff Report we included some topics, but not even specific recommendations, just ideas that we had heard, and we received additional ideas in the public comment, and those are worth discussing as well, so that should not stop the Commission from discussing those questions in whatever order or fashion works for you. If there are specific questions about other agencies, story pole policies that I could answer now, I do have a number of those here in front of me in terms of, for example, the City of Los Altos did just remove their policy, they don’t require it. The town of Los Altos Hills, however, does have a policy and they require it for new buildings, second story additions, additions exceeding 900 square feet that increase the roof height, etc. I could go through the full list. But if there are particular questions, I may be able to answer some of that, or if there are particular topics that you can include in discussion tonight and then really narrow in on what additional information Staff can provide for further discussion. LOS GATOS PLANNING COMMISSION 4/26/2023 Item #3, Modifications to the Town Height Pole and Netting Policy for Additions and New Construction 30 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 CHAIR BARNETT: Vice Chair Raspe. VICE CHAIR RASPE: Thank you, Chair. I think it makes perfect sense to continue this discussion with specific direction to Staff, and I actually wanted to join almost 100% with all the comments that Commissioner Janoff said. I came from Los Angeles before I lived here, and one of the things you first notice as you come into town are story poles; we don’t have those in Los Angeles. I think they serve a purpose. I think they help you, and as Commissioner Burnett noticed, you visualize site lines that you don’t get from renderings. That being said, it’s also my view that you don’t need them for every project, and we can certainly, I think, start moving towards a more 21st/22nd century use of technology. The renderings, I think, are going to be great. The problem with that is not every one of our citizens is ready to use all those tools, and so I don’t think we can today jump to just renderings as opposed to story poles, but I think as a town we should start moving there. What I would like to see as part of our further discussion is perhaps a discussion of what technology is available and who is using it. LOS GATOS PLANNING COMMISSION 4/26/2023 Item #3, Modifications to the Town Height Pole and Netting Policy for Additions and New Construction 31 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 I would also like a discussion, as Commissioner Janoff indicated, on should we be using this only when variances are sought and perhaps not use them if no variances are sought and everything is built pursuant to code? What’s the use essentially of the story poles? Then maybe perhaps thirdly, a discussion of commercial versus residential uses of story poles and should there be a distinction in those applications? One certainly applies more directly to business, but I guess they both do since they both impact architects and builders. Off the top of my head, those are the areas I think I would like to see a little bit further information from Staff, so thank you. CHAIR BARNETT: Any other specific recommendations to Staff? We’ll start with Commissioner Burnett. COMMISSIONER BURNETT: Thank you, Chair. I would say that we could have exceptions to story poles, that some large projects, maybe like the North Forty where it’s very specific plans, you have the density, the intensity, the height, the massing is pretty well talked about, documented, and so it’s not a huge surprise, I think, to LOS GATOS PLANNING COMMISSION 4/26/2023 Item #3, Modifications to the Town Height Pole and Netting Policy for Additions and New Construction 32 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 the Town or the Town’s people driving by that area that this is coming about, this is going to be part of Los Gatos. There could be a model down at the Council chamber like they’d had previously; of course it didn’t turn out looking like that, but it would still be available. So I could see there would be structures that wouldn’t need story poles. Where I think story poles are so important are neighborhoods and the downtown area where there’s a lot of vitality and a lot of community activities going on, so I could see where we could have exceptions to story poles, which would help with the building costs for the large projects like the North Forty; I would think that that could work. So there are options. I think we could meet in the middle and get all our needs met. Thank you. CHAIR BARNETT: Thank you. Other comments or suggestions? Commissioner Janoff. COMMISSIONER JANOFF: Council Member Hudes makes an interesting point, and he is one voice, one vote. However, without alternatives that’s probably where most people would land, so I’d be interested in understanding why the other municipalities in the County have eliminated LOS GATOS PLANNING COMMISSION 4/26/2023 Item #3, Modifications to the Town Height Pole and Netting Policy for Additions and New Construction 33 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 their requirement for story poles. Was that a recent thing? Are they tied to the Housing Element and the whole barriers thing? In particular, Los Altos on February 14th, I’m assuming that was related to the… COMMISSIONER HANSSEN: Yes. COMMISSIONER JANOFF: So they probably got a comment back from HCD and said there’s a barrier to remove. I also think that the letter alone from the group of architects has a number of points that could be discussed, particularly the last seven or so. No single- story home. No single-story addition. No story poles required if there are added roof elements that don’t change the overall height. Simplified to show the main ridges. Part of the problem that I have with story poles sometimes is that you’re seeing so many poles representing different peaks of different elements, and some of the homes that are architected are so interesting in their rooflines you get a lot of mixed up sightlines, so you really do see. So I think there’s a list here that’s a good list to start from in terms of grouping what would be excluded and what might not be excluded for purposes of discussion going forward. LOS GATOS PLANNING COMMISSION 4/26/2023 Item #3, Modifications to the Town Height Pole and Netting Policy for Additions and New Construction 34 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 CHAIR BARNETT: Thank you. Other specific recommendations for Staff investigation? Commissioner Thomas. COMMISSIONER THOMAS: I have a list of questions and comments. Basically the first one is just what are the main alternative options to story poles, especially for single-family homes? Like some of these suggestions that were listed: additions, remodels, and just new development. Then how can we best ensure that the story poles don’t impede our Housing Element plans for moving forward? Because we know that that’s a concern and it’s going to be hard for us to get that stuff done, so we don’t want to just add extra trouble for ourselves. Is it legal or are we allowed to only require story poles when variances are requested? Can we align some of the story pole requirements or alternatives to story poles requirements with… If we were going to make distinctions between things, would it be about density with regard to housing? Would it be with number of units, or lot size, or FAR? What is the defining thing that would triggers story poles going up because this is considered a big project? We see projects that are asking for variances, or it’s the biggest house in the neighborhood, or it’s a LOS GATOS PLANNING COMMISSION 4/26/2023 Item #3, Modifications to the Town Height Pole and Netting Policy for Additions and New Construction 35 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 new this in the neighborhood, etc., so what would trigger the story poles maybe needing to be put up for some specific projects? What are the parameters and how might we best go about that in a way that is streamlined and easy for everyone to understand? Then how can we still make sure, because I think that this is really the concern that everyone is talking about and Council Member Hudes’ main concern, that neighbors know that construction is going to happen, that things are going to be torn down, that new stuff is going to be built or added on? What alternatives are there to these big, ugly things that do often scare people and that don’t also follow up by looking at the plans in as much detail as we maybe do? How can we really make sure that people are still aware that projects are happening? I think that is a lot of peoples’ main concern, because it is true. I walk around in my neighborhood on a walk with my dog or my friend and I see orange poles, and that triggers an oh, this is happening and I’m aware of what’s going on in town, so I do think that that is a concern. How do we flag something so that neighbors and people walking by know in a way that is no quite a egregious as a story pole but is LOS GATOS PLANNING COMMISSION 4/26/2023 Item #3, Modifications to the Town Height Pole and Netting Policy for Additions and New Construction 36 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 better than just a small sign in front of someone’s house, so where does that happen? My last question is the legality of looking at the distinction between hillside areas and not. Is that something that would be easy for us to distinguish between, or would Staff or the Town Attorney recommend that it needs to be a more blanket policy with regard to all housing and a different policy for commercial, etc.? CHAIR BARNETT: Commissioner Hanssen. COMMISSIONER HANSSEN: I would like to echo what was said earlier. I would like to understand a little bit more about actually the jurisdictions that are still keeping their story pole policies. In looking at the list, the Towns are all place where there are a lot of views. I will also add that as difficult and expensive it was for the North Forty, the North Forty Specific Plan, we had our own Specific Plan committee with I believe 11 people on it who met for years and years. The plans were under development for years and years. The time it really got the Town’s attention was when the story poles went up. This is what always happens, and so I think we would have to think really long and hard about removing the requirement for story poles period. That would be a very, LOS GATOS PLANNING COMMISSION 4/26/2023 Item #3, Modifications to the Town Height Pole and Netting Policy for Additions and New Construction 37 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 very difficult discussion for our town, but there is probably a lot of intermediate discussions about maybe if you’re just adding a second story addition maybe that’s not necessary, especially when you consider the cost relative to the cost of the development, things like that. CHAIR BARNETT: Commissioner Janoff. COMMISSIONER JANOFF: I think Commissioner Thomas raises an interesting point about what could we install to raise the flag? The other thing I’d like to comment on is the orange netting in a hillside setting, like we had on this recent project, was alarming. I don't know if it’s possible to have beige netting instead of orange netting, but it is true that it sends a message of alarm, and that starts a negative conversation before it starts a positive one, I think, so I think that point is well taken. Yet I do agree that the conversation gets going when the netting goes up, and we hear many, many times people will say, “I had no idea until I saw the orange poles next door,” so it really does serve as notice, even the requirement to notice your neighbors is there, and even though the better notification of your neighbors include renderings so you can see what it’s actually going to look LOS GATOS PLANNING COMMISSION 4/26/2023 Item #3, Modifications to the Town Height Pole and Netting Policy for Additions and New Construction 38 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 like in your neighborhood, not everybody looks at those. So what are people doing to make sure? What are communities doing to make sure neighbors are alerted, the community is alerted? CHAIR BARNETT: I’m going to jump in with a couple of my own. The issue was raised about whether the flagpole requirements are in violation of the Housing Accountability law or perhaps other statutes promoting housing. I think it would be good for the Town Attorney to respond to us on that issue. Then concerning Mr. Rutherford’s email of March 23rd, he brought up the issue of flag ropes as a more feasible alternative, particularly in higher heights, and I think that feedback on that would be helpful. He also made a point about fencing not being allowed, which he thought was a safety issue. I thought he said a fence had been applied for but not granted. I think that was on the car dealership in particular. Thank you. Commissioner Burnett and then Commissioner Thomas. COMMISSIONER BURNETT: Thank you, Chair. Question: What is the average length of time the story poles are up? Is there any number? LOS GATOS PLANNING COMMISSION 4/26/2023 Item #3, Modifications to the Town Height Pole and Netting Policy for Additions and New Construction 39 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 JENNIFER ARMER: It varies greatly. Thank you for that question. It can be that it’s put up and we send out the notice and within a month a decision has been made and the appeal period has been completed. For example, if it was a new second story addition that stayed as a Minor Residential Development Application. But for many it is for several months, because the story poles need to go up, and then we need to notice for public hearing, get notice in the newspaper, and then following the public hearing, even if there is only one, there then is the additional ten-day appeal period. Then we have some that are up for a very long time as it goes through various Commission meetings or than appeals. COMMISSIONER BURNETT: Thank you for that. I have a follow up question. CHAIR BARNETT: Go ahead, please. COMMISSIONER BURNETT: Not a question, but a comment. Another reason why I think story poles are important, there was a large home that was built in my neighborhood and we didn’t realize the mass of it until the story poles went up, and that alerted the neighbors and we were able to meet with the contractor, the designer, the LOS GATOS PLANNING COMMISSION 4/26/2023 Item #3, Modifications to the Town Height Pole and Netting Policy for Additions and New Construction 40 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 builder, and the massing was reduced. So that’s a key part of why story poles are important, especially in a neighborhood. You get the feeling of what it’s going to be and it’s the massing and the height, and we were able to speak with the owner and builder and be able to make adjustments, which was a much better project for our neighborhood. CHAIR BARNETT: Thank you. Commissioner Thomas, we want to get back to you. COMMISSIONER THOMAS: Thank you. I completely understand and agree. Like I said, the story poles tell us when a project is happening, but like with the North Forty, by the time the story poles go up it’s too late really for the public and neighbors to be heavily involved in the process of deciding what this project is going to end up being and looking like, and so for us I feel like story poles go up, people come to Planning Commission meetings, neighbors are upset because they didn’t understand, and we’re sitting here telling people that have gone through all of the processes they’re supposed to, done everything they’re supposed to do, like you have to go back a couple of steps to appease your neighbors, and that process is not productive, so I think that we should really try to be LOS GATOS PLANNING COMMISSION 4/26/2023 Item #3, Modifications to the Town Height Pole and Netting Policy for Additions and New Construction 41 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 innovative and creative in the way that we let the public know, and maybe we need to start getting some ideas of alternatives to story poles out sooner in the process, specifically I think with residential projects, because I know that that’s what we deal with a lot, but with residential projects or the big, giant, huge projects, like get public comment in sooner so that it can actually be taken into account, because that’s where it becomes so much tension. When the North Forty thing happened people were so, so upset, and we don’t want to be a reactionary town that is making policies after the fact to fix things, so getting more people involved beforehand, informing people earlier on in the process is the thing that is going to make it more productive for everyone involved, and I don’t know the answer to how we do that, but I think that looking at how maybe other places have tried to do that is something that would be really helpful. JOEL PAULSON: Through the Chair, prior to the Vice Chair speaking, just for a little background. If someone comes up to the counter and say, “I’m thinking of doing a project,” make sure you talk to your neighbors. They don’t talk to their neighbors. They submit their LOS GATOS PLANNING COMMISSION 4/26/2023 Item #3, Modifications to the Town Height Pole and Netting Policy for Additions and New Construction 42 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 application. We give them the comments. Make sure you talk to your neighbors. Staff does that, but many people choose not to take that option and we can’t force them or require them to do that, but I want to make sure that you have that context. COMMISSIONER THOMAS: Thank you, and I think that people do just hope that it squeaks by and they get it through and people just won’t notice the giant story poles or whatever, or it’s too late in the process, but I do think that with individuals it’s hard, but maybe with some of the bigger projects there is something that we can do earlier on to get more people involved. Thank you. CHAIR BARNETT: Vice Chair Raspe, you had a comment? VICE CHAIR RASPE: I think you raise great points. I just wanted to raise a kind of counter point. I think it was the Wood Road project where we had story poles up, and I guess it was very early on in the process, and the neighbors had really… So I would agree with you, story poles I think are most useful if we can do it right at the outset and it’s an accurate reflection on what the project is going to be, and I think in that particular instance it’s not just the immediate neighbors, because those were LOS GATOS PLANNING COMMISSION 4/26/2023 Item #3, Modifications to the Town Height Pole and Netting Policy for Additions and New Construction 43 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 in sight lines, so the entire town had a great idea of what was proposed up on that hill. CHAIR BARNETT: Do we have any other comments? Go ahead, Commissioner Thomas. COMMISSIONER THOMAS: Thank you, Chair and Vice Chair. I totally agree that that was really helpful, and it was early on in the project. I have no idea if this is even normal or possible, but is it possible for us to explore options where if someone wants to develop something and they want to build something around the height requirement, then putting things up earlier in the process, because we all know it doesn’t reflect the mass or what the finished product is going to look like, so is that something? I see Ms. Armer maybe with an idea. JENNIFER ARMER: Thank you for that question. The one caution that I would give is that it’s not unusual that through the Staff review process, and particularly review by the Town’s consulting architect, that there do end up being changes to the proposed massing of the building, and so those kinds of changes then, if it was for example, a project that was coming to Planning Commission for review, would then necessitate changes to the story poles, LOS GATOS PLANNING COMMISSION 4/26/2023 Item #3, Modifications to the Town Height Pole and Netting Policy for Additions and New Construction 44 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 additional ones being installed, and so could in the end compound the expense and requirement for those projects. CHAIR BARNETT: Thank you for that. I think we’re ready for a motion to continue if there are no more specific recommendations for Staff. Not seeing any, so I’ll entertain a motion to continue, and I’ll be asking Staff if there’s a projected date for that? JENNIFER ARMER: Thank you for that question. We would recommend that it be continued to May 24th, and if we need more time to prepare the information you’ve requested, then we could always continue it at that time. CHAIR BARNETT: Thank you. Vice Chair Raspe, were you raising your hand? VICE CHAIR RASPE: I probably was, so I will go ahead. I will make a motion to continue the matter before the Planning Commission, specifically the discussion of recommendation to Town Council on Modifications to Town Height Pole and Netting Policy for Additions and New Construction to a date certain of May 24, 2023 so that Staff can gather information requested by Planning Commission and commentators this evening. CHAIR BARNETT: Thank you. Is there a second? Commissioner Burnett. LOS GATOS PLANNING COMMISSION 4/26/2023 Item #3, Modifications to the Town Height Pole and Netting Policy for Additions and New Construction 45 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 COMMISSIONER BURNETT: I second. CHAIR BARNETT: Is there discussion on the motion? Commissioner Thomas. COMMISSIONER THOMAS: I just have a question about the pathway that this takes after we will make our recommendation on the 24th, and then it goes to Town Council, and then what happens? JENNIFER ARMER: As with other recommendations that you have made, for example the objective standards, this is something that once the Planning Commission feels they have something that they can recommend, it would go to Town Council and then Town Council would consider the modifications to the policy. COMMISSIONER THOMAS: Thank you. CHAIR BARNETT: Any further discussion? If not, I’ll call the question. Commissioner Hanssen. COMMISSIONER HANSSEN: Yes. CHAIR BARNETT: Commissioner Thomas. COMMISSIONER THOMAS: Yes. CHAIR BARNETT: Vice Chair Raspe. VICE CHAIR RASPE: Yes. CHAIR BARNETT: Commissioner Burnett. COMMISSIONER BURNETT: Yes. LOS GATOS PLANNING COMMISSION 4/26/2023 Item #3, Modifications to the Town Height Pole and Netting Policy for Additions and New Construction 46 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 CHAIR BARNETT: And Commissioner Janoff. COMMISSIONER JANOFF: Yes. (END)